£5000! - cost of putting petrol in a diesel BMW?

[Peter Hill]

Bloke at work told me his wife's BMW diesel company car had needed the
whole fuel system replaced due to someone in her firm having used it
and mistakenly filled it with petrol. He had realised his mistake and
had it drained on the forecourt before actually running the engine.
However the draining could not have been 100% as a few months later
the high pressure pump failed, it had worn due to small traces of
petrol and produced very fine swarf that was returned to the tank.
BMW dealer said only way to fix it and not have it come back dead
again and again was to replace the whole fuel system including
injectors, 3 pumps, tank and all fuel lines. Total £5000 and not a
warranty job. As it was a few months later it's impossible to prove
that the draining had not been done right or that no one else had put
petrol in it.

This sort of mishap is clearly expensive on modern common rail
diesels. Even worse for 2nd or 3rd private owner who buys a car just
after it had been filled with petrol so it dies horribly in the first
month of ownership, they would wind up with this massive expense. How
would someone that had just bought a 2nd hand one prove they hadn't
put the petrol in themselves and that it was sold defective?

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[Guy King]

The message <hn33n05mv49lolr0o9fe1t59j6fnm2ld21@4ax.com>
from Peter Hill <peter.usenet1@nospam.demon.co.uk> contains these words:

> BMW dealer said only way to fix it and not have it come back dead
> again and again was to replace the whole fuel system including
> injectors, 3 pumps, tank and all fuel lines.

I'm surprised that the filter wouldn't take out this alleged swarf. It'd
have to be incredibly fine to get through a diesel fuel filter. These
things run with all sorts of crap in the tank for year. The rusty narsty
gritty grot you get in most tanks is taken out easily by the filter.

Sounds like bull**** to me.

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[Chris Street]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:13:23 +0100, Guy King wrote:

> The message <hn33n05mv49lolr0o9fe1t59j6fnm2ld21@4ax.com>
> from Peter Hill <peter.usenet1@nospam.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> BMW dealer said only way to fix it and not have it come back dead
>> again and again was to replace the whole fuel system including
>> injectors, 3 pumps, tank and all fuel lines.
>
> I'm surprised that the filter wouldn't take out this alleged swarf. It'd
> have to be incredibly fine to get through a diesel fuel filter.

That's my first thought, BMW must have really crap filters if the swarf
went through again. Personally it sounds like the dealer out to make a fast
one, but maybe I'm just being cynical....
>These
> things run with all sorts of crap in the tank for year. The rusty narsty
> gritty grot you get in most tanks is taken out easily by the filter.
>
> Sounds like bull**** to me.

[DuncanWood]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:42:06 +0100, Chris Street
<venus.ngfb@chris-street.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:13:23 +0100, Guy King wrote:
>
>> The message <hn33n05mv49lolr0o9fe1t59j6fnm2ld21@4ax.com>
>> from Peter Hill <peter.usenet1@nospam.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
>>
>>> BMW dealer said only way to fix it and not have it come back dead
>>> again and again was to replace the whole fuel system including
>>> injectors, 3 pumps, tank and all fuel lines.
>>
>> I'm surprised that the filter wouldn't take out this alleged swarf. It'd
>> have to be incredibly fine to get through a diesel fuel filter.
>
> That's my first thought, BMW must have really crap filters if the swarf
> went through again. Personally it sounds like the dealer out to make a
> fast
> one, but maybe I'm just being cynical....
>> These
>> things run with all sorts of crap in the tank for year. The rusty narsty
>> gritty grot you get in most tanks is taken out easily by the filter.
>>
>> Sounds like bull**** to me.

Yeah, running it on petrol might bugger the pump, if you're spectacularly
unlucky that wouldn't do the injectors any good but if swarf can get from
the fuel tank to the pump then you've got a new & interesting problem.
Thereagain if you're dumb eneough to pay the BMW dealer to fix something
you've buggered up you probably do get bills that size.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <hn33n05mv49lolr0o9fe1t59j6fnm2ld21@4ax.com>,
Peter Hill <peter.usenet1@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> He had realised his mistake and
> had it drained on the forecourt before actually running the engine.
> However the draining could not have been 100% as a few months later
> the high pressure pump failed, it had worn due to small traces of
> petrol and produced very fine swarf that was returned to the tank.

Thought it was common to use a small amount of petrol in diesel in very
cold weather?

Of course, if the pumps were run on petrol rather than diesel I suppose
some damage might result through lack of lubrication, but you reckon this
didn't happen.

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[Guy King]

The message <4cff3aa946dave@davenoise.co.uk>
from "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> contains these words:

> Thought it was common to use a small amount of petrol in diesel in very
> cold weather?

Paraffin, usually.

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[Tim \(Remove NOSPAM.]

"Peter Hill" <peter.usenet1@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hn33n05mv49lolr0o9fe1t59j6fnm2ld21@4ax.com...
> Bloke at work told me his wife's BMW diesel company car had needed the
> whole fuel system replaced due to someone in her firm having used it
> and mistakenly filled it with petrol. He had realised his mistake and
> had it drained on the forecourt before actually running the engine.
> However the draining could not have been 100% as a few months later
> the high pressure pump failed, it had worn due to small traces of
> petrol and produced very fine swarf that was returned to the tank.
> BMW dealer said only way to fix it and not have it come back dead
> again and again was to replace the whole fuel system including
> injectors, 3 pumps, tank and all fuel lines. Total £5000 and not a
> warranty job. As it was a few months later it's impossible to prove
> that the draining had not been done right or that no one else had put
> petrol in it.


Likewise, a friends dad very recently accidentally filled his MB Sprinter
CDi with petrol and then not realising his mistake(?!) drove it until it
stopped. At this point realised. Anyhow the dealer took it in and replaced
most of the fuel system bar the tank, and spent most of a day being sure the
remains of the system were properly flushed out throughly.

He luckily was able to claim on his insurance, only paying the excess on
which cost the insurance company £2600.

Tim..

[Huw]

"Peter Hill" <peter.usenet1@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hn33n05mv49lolr0o9fe1t59j6fnm2ld21@4ax.com...
> Bloke at work told me his wife's BMW diesel company car had needed the
> whole fuel system replaced due to someone in her firm having used it
> and mistakenly filled it with petrol. He had realised his mistake and
> had it drained on the forecourt before actually running the engine.
> However the draining could not have been 100% as a few months later
> the high pressure pump failed, it had worn due to small traces of
> petrol and produced very fine swarf that was returned to the tank.
> BMW dealer said only way to fix it and not have it come back dead
> again and again was to replace the whole fuel system including
> injectors, 3 pumps, tank and all fuel lines. Total £5000 and not
> warranty job. As it was a few months later it's impossible to prove
> that the draining had not been done right or that no one else had put
> petrol in it.
>


High pressure fuel pump failure is not uncommon on these engines and it is
not caused by petrol in the fuel usually.
Changing the faulty component cures it.
A friend had a new pump at around 20k and I have had a faulty injector at
around 15k. Mine is a bit noisy at idle, noisier than it was initially I
feel. Certainly no petrol in mine because I have not filled at a petrol
station yet in 26000 miles.

Huw

[Moray Cuthill]

" Tim (Remove NOSPAM." <the.farm@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message
news:cktjhl$8p$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
>
> "Peter Hill" <peter.usenet1@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:hn33n05mv49lolr0o9fe1t59j6fnm2ld21@4ax.com...
>> Bloke at work told me his wife's BMW diesel company car had needed the
>> whole fuel system replaced due to someone in her firm having used it
>> and mistakenly filled it with petrol. He had realised his mistake and
>> had it drained on the forecourt before actually running the engine.
>> However the draining could not have been 100% as a few months later
>> the high pressure pump failed, it had worn due to small traces of
>> petrol and produced very fine swarf that was returned to the tank.
>> BMW dealer said only way to fix it and not have it come back dead
>> again and again was to replace the whole fuel system including
>> injectors, 3 pumps, tank and all fuel lines. Total £5000 and not a
>> warranty job. As it was a few months later it's impossible to prove
>> that the draining had not been done right or that no one else had put
>> petrol in it.
>
>
> Likewise, a friends dad very recently accidentally filled his MB Sprinter
> CDi with petrol and then not realising his mistake(?!) drove it until it
> stopped. At this point realised. Anyhow the dealer took it in and replaced
> most of the fuel system bar the tank, and spent most of a day being sure
> the
> remains of the system were properly flushed out throughly.
>
> He luckily was able to claim on his insurance, only paying the excess on
> which cost the insurance company £2600.
>
> Tim..
>
>

This is common in the MB. Apparently the seals they use in the fuel system
are destroyed if you put them near petrol. From a reliable source I heard
that it works out just as cheap to get a fully dressed exchange engine
fitted, than it is to change the fuel system.

[Ian Johnston]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:03:18 UTC, " Tim \(Remove NOSPAM."
<the.farm@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote:

: He luckily was able to claim on his insurance, only paying the excess on
: which cost the insurance company £2600.

How on earth can you claim on insurance for something like this? It's
just sheer stupidity.

Ian


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[Guy King]

The message <cCUlhtvFIYkV-pn2-oeFs0jD3pEJ7@localhost>
from "Ian Johnston" <NOianSPAM.NOgroupsSPAM@btinternet.com> contains
these words:

> How on earth can you claim on insurance for something like this?

Fully comp, I assume.

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[jim]

Are BMWs any better than Mercs these days - they build them down top the
cost rather than up to a standard

A mate bought one of the 1st BMW coupes from a dealer in Guildford. Surrey
as a NEW car

When he got the V5 the sods had actually registered it on the 31st of the
previous month to get a BMW new car bonus - the owner then complained about
(amongst 30 other things) that the leather was matt on one side of the cabin
and shiny on the other side

The dealer Principle in Vines Guildford said - you should expect issues with
2nd hand cars - you cannot make it up can you - I guess this was because my
mate complained to BMW and took the Bonus off of VINES

I'm still wondering if they gave back the 17.5 vat they fiddled (new vs.
used)

customs Excise - any comments?

apart from Friday cars / cowboys can be downed anywhere - even in Guildford.
Surrey


"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2tf2hnF1sni97U1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Peter Hill" <peter.usenet1@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:hn33n05mv49lolr0o9fe1t59j6fnm2ld21@4ax.com...
> > Bloke at work told me his wife's BMW diesel company car had needed the
> > whole fuel system replaced due to someone in her firm having used it
> > and mistakenly filled it with petrol. He had realised his mistake and
> > had it drained on the forecourt before actually running the engine.
> > However the draining could not have been 100% as a few months later
> > the high pressure pump failed, it had worn due to small traces of
> > petrol and produced very fine swarf that was returned to the tank.
> > BMW dealer said only way to fix it and not have it come back dead
> > again and again was to replace the whole fuel system including
> > injectors, 3 pumps, tank and all fuel lines. Total £5000 and not
> > warranty job. As it was a few months later it's impossible to prove
> > that the draining had not been done right or that no one else had put
> > petrol in it.
> >
>
>
> High pressure fuel pump failure is not uncommon on these engines and it is
> not caused by petrol in the fuel usually.
> Changing the faulty component cures it.
> A friend had a new pump at around 20k and I have had a faulty injector at
> around 15k. Mine is a bit noisy at idle, noisier than it was initially I
> feel. Certainly no petrol in mine because I have not filled at a petrol
> station yet in 26000 miles.
>
> Huw
>
>

[Ian Johnston]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:17:05 UTC, Guy King <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk>
wrote:

: The message <cCUlhtvFIYkV-pn2-oeFs0jD3pEJ7@localhost>
: from "Ian Johnston" <NOianSPAM.NOgroupsSPAM@btinternet.com> contains
: these words:
:
: > How on earth can you claim on insurance for something like this?
:
: Fully comp, I assume.

Yes, but even so, I assumed that insurance covered accidents in the
"hitting someone" sense, not of the "being a complete divot" variety.
Oh well, we live and learn. And pay high insurance premioums.

Ian

[David A Stocks]

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4cff3aa946dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>
> Of course, if the pumps were run on petrol rather than diesel I suppose
> some damage might result through lack of lubrication, but you reckon this
> didn't happen.
>
Are BMWs common rail or PD? I have a common rail Alfa, and it ran on diluted
petrol (less than 25%) for about a 100 miles, before I diluted it further.
The car has done around 40K miles since without any problem ...

David A Stocks

[John Greystrong]

Ian Johnston wrote:

> Yes, but even so, I assumed that insurance covered accidents in the
> "hitting someone" sense, not of the "being a complete divot" variety.
> Oh well, we live and learn. And pay high insurance premioums.

I fail to see the difference in intelligence between putting petrol in
a diesel and driving into the car on front. Both require quite
monumental degrees of stupidity.

John

[Doctor D]

"jim" <k@y.com> wrote in message
news:1098027611.23754.0@nnrp-t71-02.news.clara.net...
> Are BMWs any better than Mercs these days - they build them down top the
> cost rather than up to a standard
>
> A mate bought one of the 1st BMW coupes from a dealer in Guildford.
Surrey
> as a NEW car
>
> When he got the V5 the sods had actually registered it on the 31st of the
> previous month to get a BMW new car bonus - the owner then complained
about
> (amongst 30 other things) that the leather was matt on one side of the
cabin
> and shiny on the other side
>
> The dealer Principle in Vines Guildford said - you should expect issues
with
> 2nd hand cars - you cannot make it up can you - I guess this was because
my
> mate complained to BMW and took the Bonus off of VINES


Main dealers have been successfully prosecuted by Trading Standards in the
past for doing this. One that springs to mind is a Vauxhall main agent in
Stoke.


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[Doctor D]

"Ian Johnston" <NOianSPAM.NOgroupsSPAM@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:cCUlhtvFIYkV-pn2-oeFs0jD3pEJ7@localhost...
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:03:18 UTC, " Tim \(Remove NOSPAM."
> <the.farm@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote:
>
> : He luckily was able to claim on his insurance, only paying the excess on
> : which cost the insurance company £2600.
>
> How on earth can you claim on insurance for something like this? It's
> just sheer stupidity.
>
> Ian

So is running into the back of somebody, or reversing into large objects,
but that's insurance for you!


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[Guy King]

The message <2tfllcF1ue7viU1@uni-berlin.de>
from "David A Stocks" <dastocks@channel4.co.uk> contains these words:

> Are BMWs common rail or PD?

Can anyone point me at a site explaining what a Pumpe Duse does? I can't
sort the wheat from the chaff. Among all the pages raving about it, I
can't find one that says what it is.

--
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Being superstitious brings bad luck

[Huw]

"jim" <k@y.com> wrote in message
news:1098027611.23754.0@nnrp-t71-02.news.clara.net...
> Are BMWs any better than Mercs these days - they build them down top the
> cost rather than up to a standard
>

The system in question is not made by BMW. It is made by Bosch.

Huw

[Huw]

"David A Stocks" <dastocks@channel4.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2tfllcF1ue7viU1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4cff3aa946dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>>
>> Of course, if the pumps were run on petrol rather than diesel I suppose
>> some damage might result through lack of lubrication, but you reckon this
>> didn't happen.
>>
> Are BMWs common rail or PD? I have a common rail Alfa, and it ran on
> diluted
> petrol (less than 25%) for about a 100 miles, before I diluted it further.
> The car has done around 40K miles since without any problem ...
>
> David A Stocks
>
>

Common rail.

Huw

[deadmail@burnt.org.uk]

John Greystrong <johnny_g@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
<2tfmmvF1va51bU1@uni-berlin.de>:

>Ian Johnston wrote:
>
>> Yes, but even so, I assumed that insurance covered accidents in the
>> "hitting someone" sense, not of the "being a complete divot" variety.
>> Oh well, we live and learn. And pay high insurance premioums.
>
>I fail to see the difference in intelligence between putting petrol in
>a diesel and driving into the car on front. Both require quite
>monumental degrees of stupidity.

A world of difference.

If you've been driving petrol cars for years it's learned behaviour to
fill from the petrol nozzle at the pump.

Of course, you know this and are simply being provocative.

[Adrian]

Guy King (guy.king@zetnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

> Can anyone point me at a site explaining what a Pumpe Duse does? I can't
> sort the wheat from the chaff. Among all the pages raving about it, I
> can't find one that says what it is.

AIUI, rather than there being a fuel supply rail to all cylinders
pressurised to ludicrously high pressure - as in your common-or-garden rail
- with individual injectors then opened at the correct moment, PD has a
low-pressure supply to all injectors, with an individual high-pressure pump
built into each one.

[DuncanWood]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:12:28 +0100, Guy King <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

> The message <2tfllcF1ue7viU1@uni-berlin.de>
> from "David A Stocks" <dastocks@channel4.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> Are BMWs common rail or PD?
>
> Can anyone point me at a site explaining what a Pumpe Duse does? I can't
> sort the wheat from the chaff. Among all the pages raving about it, I
> can't find one that says what it is.
>
I haven't seen a good site, they're just a tiny version of an
electronically controlled unit injector, no pie work so higher injection
pressures without any nasty reflected pressure waves etc.

[Huw]

"Guy King" <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:31303030343237394172B60C77@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message <2tfllcF1ue7viU1@uni-berlin.de>
> from "David A Stocks" <dastocks@channel4.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> Are BMWs common rail or PD?
>
> Can anyone point me at a site explaining what a Pumpe Duse does? I can't
> sort the wheat from the chaff. Among all the pages raving about it, I
> can't find one that says what it is.
>
> --
> Skipweasel.
> Being superstitious brings bad luck
>
>

This lot from Bosch should keep you amused for a bit.

http://www.boschautoparts.co.uk/pcDies7.asp?c=2&d=1
http://www.boschautoparts.co.uk/pcDies6.asp?c=2&d=1
http://www.boschautoparts.co.uk/pcDies5.asp?c=2&d=1
http://www.boschautoparts.co.uk/pcDies10.asp?c=2&d=1
http://www.boschautoparts.co.uk/pcDies11.asp?c=2&d=1

More information is probably available at Delphi and Marreli and from
Japanese manufacturers.

Huw

[John Greystrong]

deadmail@burnt.org.uk wrote:

> John Greystrong <johnny_g@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> <2tfmmvF1va51bU1@uni-berlin.de>:

>>I fail to see the difference in intelligence between putting petrol in
>>a diesel and driving into the car on front. Both require quite
>>monumental degrees of stupidity.
>
> A world of difference.
>
> If you've been driving petrol cars for years it's learned behaviour to
> fill from the petrol nozzle at the pump.
>
> Of course, you know this and are simply being provocative.

<shrug> You may think it's excusable to be half asleep when refueling
and by inference half asleep when drivnng. I'd hope most drivers weren't
so incompotent.

John

[deadmail@burnt.org.uk]

John Greystrong <johnny_g@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
<2tg0t8F1uurhuU1@uni-berlin.de>:

>deadmail@burnt.org.uk wrote:

>> A world of difference.
>>
>> If you've been driving petrol cars for years it's learned behaviour to
>> fill from the petrol nozzle at the pump.
>>
>> Of course, you know this and are simply being provocative.
>
><shrug> You may think it's excusable to be half asleep when refueling
>and by inference half asleep when drivnng. I'd hope most drivers weren't
>so incompotent.

Your inference, not mine.

People can be as asleep as they like when refueling, when driving it's a
completely different matter.

[Guy King]

The message <Xns9585CEF8CF10Eadrianachapmanfreeis@130.133.1.4>
from Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> contains these words:

> AIUI, rather than there being a fuel supply rail to all cylinders
> pressurised to ludicrously high pressure - as in your common-or-garden rail
> - with individual injectors then opened at the correct moment, PD has a
> low-pressure supply to all injectors, with an individual high-pressure pump
> built into each one.


Oooh, I was wondering!

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And the word was Aardvark.

[Guy King]

The message <2tg0f4F1vr9haU1@uni-berlin.de>
from "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> contains these words:

> http://www.boschautoparts.co.uk/pcDies5.asp?c=2&d=1

This seems a bit of a non sequitur...

Instead of having to build up pressure before each individual injection,
the fuel is stored in an accumulator and kept under constant pressure.
So the engine is more dynamic than ever before, with no loss of power.

--
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And the word was Aardvark.

[Adrian]

Guy King (guy.king@zetnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

>> http://www.boschautoparts.co.uk/pcDies5.asp?c=2&d=1

> This seems a bit of a non sequitur...
>
> Instead of having to build up pressure before each individual injection,
> the fuel is stored in an accumulator and kept under constant pressure.
> So the engine is more dynamic than ever before, with no loss of power.

Designed by engineers,
Written by marketing muppets - then, to add insult to injury - translated.

[Adrian]

(deadmail@burnt.org.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

>><shrug> You may think it's excusable to be half asleep when refueling
>>and by inference half asleep when drivnng. I'd hope most drivers weren't
>>so incompotent.

> Your inference, not mine.
>
> People can be as asleep as they like when refueling, when driving it's a
> completely different matter.

How likely is it that the pull up, fall asleep, fill up, wake up, drive
off?

In the real world, they're going to be in a similar state of mind for both
tasks.

[deadmail@burnt.org.uk]

Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message
<Xns9585E09A714E3adrianachapmanfreeis@130.133.1.4>:

> (deadmail@burnt.org.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
>saying :
>
>>><shrug> You may think it's excusable to be half asleep when refueling
>>>and by inference half asleep when drivnng. I'd hope most drivers weren't
>>>so incompotent.
>
>> Your inference, not mine.
>>
>> People can be as asleep as they like when refueling, when driving it's a
>> completely different matter.
>
>How likely is it that the pull up, fall asleep, fill up, wake up, drive
>off?
>
>In the real world, they're going to be in a similar state of mind for both
>tasks.

Not at all. In the real world people will pay as much (or as little)
attention to a task as they believe it merits. If someone's filling a
company car they (probably) will pay limited attention to the price of
the fuel or the overall bill. However they would pay more attention to
the driving.

I'm happy enough with my record- I've not had (or caused..) a car
accident in about 200k miles of driving and in this time I've once put
petrol in a diesel. I don't believe the fact I've put petrol in a
diesel indicates my driving is sub-standard. It would indicate I didn't
really think too much about what I was doing at the forecourt because I
was allowing other things to dominate my thinking.

[JackH]

<deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
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> I'm happy enough with my record- I've not had (or caused..) a car
> accident in about 200k miles of driving and in this time I've once put
> petrol in a diesel. I don't believe the fact I've put petrol in a
> diesel indicates my driving is sub-standard. It would indicate I didn't
> really think too much about what I was doing at the forecourt because I
> was allowing other things to dominate my thinking.

Yup, BTDT... although I realised what I was doing, just before I squeezed
the pump trigger, thankfully.

In my defense, your 'onour, I do tend to have at least one petrol and one
diesel kicking about at any one time, and sometimes one goes off on a
tangent as they stop for fuel... and if one has been driving a diesel for
most of the week, it's an easy mistake to make.

--
JackH

[Guy King]

The message <Xns9585E09A714E3adrianachapmanfreeis@130.133.1.4>
from Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> contains these words:

> How likely is it that the pull up, fall asleep, fill up, wake up, drive
> off?

Perhaps you get your passenger to fill up while you have a slash/coffee
(which are indistinguishable in most motorway service areas).

--
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

[Dartos]

<deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
news:omg5n0poj2a96fvoshbus3dulat014l4i9@4ax.com...
> John Greystrong <johnny_g@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> <2tfmmvF1va51bU1@uni-berlin.de>:
>
> >Ian Johnston wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, but even so, I assumed that insurance covered accidents in the
> >> "hitting someone" sense, not of the "being a complete divot" variety.
> >> Oh well, we live and learn. And pay high insurance premioums.
> >
> >I fail to see the difference in intelligence between putting petrol in
> >a diesel and driving into the car on front. Both require quite
> >monumental degrees of stupidity.
>
> A world of difference.
>
> If you've been driving petrol cars for years it's learned behaviour to
> fill from the petrol nozzle at the pump.
>
> Of course, you know this and are simply being provocative.

I stop and think at least twice every time I fill up because on 50% of the
days of the year I'm driving a diesel van and the other 50% a petrol car.
I wonder who and how they drain a tank full of fuel on a forcourt.

[Chris Street]

On 17 Oct 2004 14:47:03 GMT, Ian Johnston wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:03:18 UTC, " Tim \(Remove NOSPAM."
> <the.farm@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote:
>
>: He luckily was able to claim on his insurance, only paying the excess on
>: which cost the insurance company £2600.
>
> How on earth can you claim on insurance for something like this? It's
> just sheer stupidity.

So is stuffing a car into a bend in the ice and tree-ing the poor thing.
Insurers still pay out for fully comp though.

>
> Ian

[Steve Sweet]

Hi Peter


> Bloke at work told me his wife's BMW diesel company car had needed the
> whole fuel system replaced due to someone in her firm having used it
> and mistakenly filled it with petrol. He had realised his mistake and
> had it drained on the forecourt before actually running the engine.
> However the draining could not have been 100% as a few months later
> the high pressure pump failed, it had worn due to small traces of
> petrol and produced very fine swarf that was returned to the tank.
> BMW dealer said only way to fix it and not have it come back dead
> again and again was to replace the whole fuel system including
> injectors, 3 pumps, tank and all fuel lines. Total £5000 and not a
> warranty job. As it was a few months later it's impossible to prove
> that the draining had not been done right or that no one else had put
> petrol in it.

Doesn't this system have a filter following the pump, so preventing anything
going further than the arse end of the pump??

--

Regards, Steve S.

[DuncanWood]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:39:26 +0100, JackH <jackhackettuk@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>
> <deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:mtn5n0la8ht77jenmqgsqcrskdnsulvo1b@4ax.com...
>
>> I'm happy enough with my record- I've not had (or caused..) a car
>> accident in about 200k miles of driving and in this time I've once put
>> petrol in a diesel. I don't believe the fact I've put petrol in a
>> diesel indicates my driving is sub-standard. It would indicate I didn't
>> really think too much about what I was doing at the forecourt because I
>> was allowing other things to dominate my thinking.
>
> Yup, BTDT... although I realised what I was doing, just before I squeezed
> the pump trigger, thankfully.
>
> In my defense, your 'onour, I do tend to have at least one petrol and one
> diesel kicking about at any one time, and sometimes one goes off on a
> tangent as they stop for fuel... and if one has been driving a diesel for
> most of the week, it's an easy mistake to make.
>
> --
> JackH
>
>


Hmm I've never filled the diesel with petrol, but I do have to admit to
having borrowed the housemates car & got a gallon of diesel into the
1.6CVH before I remembered.

[Ian Johnston]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:17:51 UTC, Chris Street
<venus.ngfb@chris-street.demon.co.uk> wrote:

: On 17 Oct 2004 14:47:03 GMT, Ian Johnston wrote:
:
: > On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:03:18 UTC, " Tim \(Remove NOSPAM."
: > <the.farm@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote:
: >
: >: He luckily was able to claim on his insurance, only paying the excess on
: >: which cost the insurance company £2600.
: >
: > How on earth can you claim on insurance for something like this? It's
: > just sheer stupidity.
:
: So is stuffing a car into a bend in the ice and tree-ing the poor thing.
: Insurers still pay out for fully comp though.

Fair enough. Just surprises me that they cover a deliberate and
non-driving act. Do they cover stuff ups during maintenance: if I drop
a nut through a sparking plug hole, will they pay for the engine to be
stripped to get it out?

Ian

[DuncanWood]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:51:10 +0100, Guy King <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

> The message <2tg0f4F1vr9haU1@uni-berlin.de>
> from "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> http://www.boschautoparts.co.uk/pcDies5.asp?c=2&d=1
>
> This seems a bit of a non sequitur..
>
> Instead of having to build up pressure before each individual injection,
> the fuel is stored in an accumulator and kept under constant pressure.
> So the engine is more dynamic than ever before, with no loss of power.
>


That'll be marketting , that will.

[Guy King]

The message <opsf1cwbipkx08km@amy>
from DuncanWood <freenews@dmx512.co.uk> contains these words:

> That'll be marketting , that will.

Duncan - I don't know if it's the same for everyone, but whenever you
reply to a post your newsreaders starts a new thread with loads of UTF
code strings in the subject - which some readers - like mine - don't
interpret.

--
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

[James Dore]

In article <cCUlhtvFIYkV-pn2-i5eYeCeXkddX@localhost>,
NOianSPAM.NOgroupsSPAM@btinternet.com says...

>
> Fair enough. Just surprises me that they cover a deliberate and
> non-driving act. Do they cover stuff ups during maintenance: if I drop
> a nut through a sparking plug hole, will they pay for the engine to be
> stripped to get it out?

If you read your policy documents they will tell you. But of course you
do this upon receiving them, right?

Cheers,
--
James Dore,
IT Officer,
New College
james.dore@new / it-support@new

[Ian Johnston]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:37:06 UTC, James Dore
<james.dore@new.oxford.ac.uk> wrote:

: In article <cCUlhtvFIYkV-pn2-i5eYeCeXkddX@localhost>,
: NOianSPAM.NOgroupsSPAM@btinternet.com says...
:
: >
: > Fair enough. Just surprises me that they cover a deliberate and
: > non-driving act. Do they cover stuff ups during maintenance: if I drop
: > a nut through a sparking plug hole, will they pay for the engine to be
: > stripped to get it out?
:
: If you read your policy documents they will tell you. But of course you
: do this upon receiving them, right?

Read them? I learn them off by heart.

Ian

[Chris Street]

On 17 Oct 2004 22:30:27 GMT, Ian Johnston wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:17:51 UTC, Chris Street
> <venus.ngfb@chris-street.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>: On 17 Oct 2004 14:47:03 GMT, Ian Johnston wrote:
>:
>:> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:03:18 UTC, " Tim \(Remove NOSPAM."
>:> <the.farm@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote:
>:>
>:>: He luckily was able to claim on his insurance, only paying the excess on
>:>: which cost the insurance company £2600.
>:>
>:> How on earth can you claim on insurance for something like this? It's
>:> just sheer stupidity.
>:
>: So is stuffing a car into a bend in the ice and tree-ing the poor thing.
>: Insurers still pay out for fully comp though.
>
> Fair enough. Just surprises me that they cover a deliberate and
> non-driving act. Do they cover stuff ups during maintenance: if I drop
> a nut through a sparking plug hole, will they pay for the engine to be
> stripped to get it out?

Mmmmm. Where do you draw the line!?! I can understand them paying out for a
diesel/petrol screwup as it is easily done, and is entirely accidental for
the most part. Maintenance issues tend to imply a certain acceptance of
ability and therefore risk I suppose.

>
> Ian

[John]

"Guy King" <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:31303030343237394171AB1311@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message <hn33n05mv49lolr0o9fe1t59j6fnm2ld21@4ax.com>
> from Peter Hill <peter.usenet1@nospam.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
>
> > BMW dealer said only way to fix it and not have it come back dead
> > again and again was to replace the whole fuel system including
> > injectors, 3 pumps, tank and all fuel lines.
>
> I'm surprised that the filter wouldn't take out this alleged swarf. It'd
> have to be incredibly fine to get through a diesel fuel filter. These
> things run with all sorts of crap in the tank for year. The rusty narsty
> gritty grot you get in most tanks is taken out easily by the filter.
>
> Sounds like bull**** to me.
>
> --
> Skipweasel.
> Being superstitious brings bad luck
>
>
The damage would have occurred inside the high pressure pump, which is after
the fuel filter. But a flush out of the rest of the system would be enough.

John