A quick question about turbodiesels

[AstraVanMan]

You're supposed to let them idle for 30 seconds or so before turning them
off, right? (Obviously combined with gentle off-boost driving the minute or
two before).

But if you've literally started the engine and simply moved the van about
20-30 metres, not going above, say around 1500rpm at the most, am I right in
thinking that the turbo will barely have spun up at all, and you'd be fairly
safe just to leave it 2-3 seconds and turn it off almost straight away?

What about if you've just started it and literally let it run, idling, for
about 5 seconds or so? The revs won't have even changed from tickover -
would it be ok to just turn it straight off? As surely it won't have spun
up at all beyond the amount it spins at idle speed, and the potential
problem of oil supply being cut short won't be a problem as that's only
really an issue when the oil is nice and hot, and/or when the turbo's spun
up to full boost (around 20-30k rpm or whatever it is they spin at), won't
it?

Stupid questions maybe, but please no stupid answers :-)

Peter
--
"The truth is working in television is not very glamorous at all. I just go
home on my own at night and sit alone and eat crisps."

[Timo Geusch]

AstraVanMan was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
> You're supposed to let them idle for 30 seconds or so before turning them
> off, right? (Obviously combined with gentle off-boost driving the minute or
> two before).

Yep, although IMHO you can skip that if you were driving off-boost for
the last mile or so.

> But if you've literally started the engine and simply moved the van about
> 20-30 metres, not going above, say around 1500rpm at the most, am I right in
> thinking that the turbo will barely have spun up at all, and you'd be fairly
> safe just to leave it 2-3 seconds and turn it off almost straight away?

I'd say so, but you'd have to check at what kind of rpm the turbo
starts to spin up properly.

> What about if you've just started it and literally let it run, idling, for
> about 5 seconds or so? The revs won't have even changed from tickover -
> would it be ok to just turn it straight off? As surely it won't have spun
> up at all beyond the amount it spins at idle speed, and the potential
> problem of oil supply being cut short won't be a problem as that's only
> really an issue when the oil is nice and hot, and/or when the turbo's spun
> up to full boost (around 20-30k rpm or whatever it is they spin at), won't
> it?

Turbos can spin at up to 100k...

Right, the problem with turbos and cutting their oil supply is that
turbos tend to heat up pretty nicely. Now if you drive the car hard
for a while and turn it off immediately afterwards, the worst case
scenario is that the turbo is still spinning at eeek rpm and you cut
its oil supply. Due to the heat generated by the turbo and especially
the heat generated by the internal bearing friction, it can burn the
oil in the bearings (and there's no supply of fresh oil). Oops. You've
just lost your lubrication...

This is more of a problem with non-watercooled turbos, as they tend to
generate more heat, but generally the best thing to do is to drive the
car gently for the last mile(s) and leave it idling for a short amount
of time so the turbo has a chance to both spin down and cool down a
bit.
--
Timo Geusch

'93 Nissan Skyline GTS-T

[Andy Hewitt]

AstraVanMan <****Off@WithThanks.com> wrote:

> You're supposed to let them idle for 30 seconds or so before turning them
> off, right? (Obviously combined with gentle off-boost driving the minute or
> two before).

Yes.

> But if you've literally started the engine and simply moved the van about
> 20-30 metres, not going above, say around 1500rpm at the most, am I right in
> thinking that the turbo will barely have spun up at all, and you'd be fairly
> safe just to leave it 2-3 seconds and turn it off almost straight away?

Yes.

> What about if you've just started it and literally let it run, idling, for
> about 5 seconds or so? The revs won't have even changed from tickover -
> would it be ok to just turn it straight off? As surely it won't have spun
> up at all beyond the amount it spins at idle speed, and the potential
> problem of oil supply being cut short won't be a problem as that's only
> really an issue when the oil is nice and hot, and/or when the turbo's spun
> up to full boost (around 20-30k rpm or whatever it is they spin at), won't
> it?

It is more of a cooling down thing really. A full boost turbo on a hot
engine can get very hot indeed, working hard they will even glow red. If
you turn it off while it's like this the metal will continue to expand
for a few minutes after turning off, and heat will still build up. Of
course at this time there is no oil flowing in the bearings, and the oil
that is there simply gets burnt.

Actually, this applies to all engines to a small extent, it's always a
good idea to bring down the power on an engine a few minutes prior to
stopping, as they get *hotter* for about 10 minutes after stopping.

> Stupid questions maybe, but please no stupid answers :-)

You have to be kidding! :-)

--
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Honda Civic 16v: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor)
http://www.thehewitts.plus.com

[Moray Cuthill]

"AstraVanMan" <****Off@WithThanks.com> wrote in message
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> You're supposed to let them idle for 30 seconds or so before turning them
> off, right? (Obviously combined with gentle off-boost driving the minute
> or
> two before).
>
> But if you've literally started the engine and simply moved the van about
> 20-30 metres, not going above, say around 1500rpm at the most, am I right
> in
> thinking that the turbo will barely have spun up at all, and you'd be
> fairly
> safe just to leave it 2-3 seconds and turn it off almost straight away?
>
> What about if you've just started it and literally let it run, idling, for
> about 5 seconds or so? The revs won't have even changed from tickover -
> would it be ok to just turn it straight off? As surely it won't have spun
> up at all beyond the amount it spins at idle speed, and the potential
> problem of oil supply being cut short won't be a problem as that's only
> really an issue when the oil is nice and hot, and/or when the turbo's spun
> up to full boost (around 20-30k rpm or whatever it is they spin at), won't
> it?
>
> Stupid questions maybe, but please no stupid answers :-)

On cars, letting the turbo spin down isn't too big a problem, provided
you've been driving gently for the past mile or so. As has been said in
previous posts, excess heat buildup can damage the turbos, but i've never
seen this on any modern turbo diesel. Car turbos are generally small enough,
that they spin down pretty fast.

Letting turbos spin down applied more to large lorry turbos, that could
quite happily take several minutes to spin down from full revs (could easily
be in excess of 200k rpm).

Given the number of turbo diesel vehicles around now, I've only seen 2
failures on cars in the past 5 years, and both were caused by lack of engine
oil. Have seen plenty more failures on vans, but these were caused by Ford's
high quality turbos.

[mrcheerful]

"AstraVanMan" <****Off@WithThanks.com> wrote in message
news:1Lpcd.7$4S2.2@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> You're supposed to let them idle for 30 seconds or so before turning them
> off, right? (Obviously combined with gentle off-boost driving the minute
> or
> two before).
>
> But if you've literally started the engine and simply moved the van about
> 20-30 metres, not going above, say around 1500rpm at the most, am I right
> in
> thinking that the turbo will barely have spun up at all, and you'd be
> fairly
> safe just to leave it 2-3 seconds and turn it off almost straight away?
>
> What about if you've just started it and literally let it run, idling, for
> about 5 seconds or so? The revs won't have even changed from tickover -
> would it be ok to just turn it straight off? As surely it won't have spun
> up at all beyond the amount it spins at idle speed, and the potential
> problem of oil supply being cut short won't be a problem as that's only
> really an issue when the oil is nice and hot, and/or when the turbo's spun
> up to full boost (around 20-30k rpm or whatever it is they spin at), won't
> it?
>
> Stupid questions maybe, but please no stupid answers :-)
>
> Peter
> -

The reason for the slow run after high speed use is to keep cooling oil
flowing round the turbo bearings. If you stop a red hot turbo the oil can
literally catch fire inside the turbo, next start there is no oil in the
turbo and some ash in the bearings.

There is usually no problem with ordinarily used road vehicles.

Some vehicles have an electric pump which continues to run after switch of
so that the oil can cool and lubricate the turbo without the engine running
(such as renault 21 turbo)

However, unless you come to a very quick stop after blasting up an alpine
pass then I don't believe you need to worry about it.

mrcheerful

[Doctor D]

I was told a while ago that it was turbo petrol engines that suffered more
than turbo diesels, because they run at higher temperatures. I've never had
a turbo problem with 8 TD's. But they were all run on Millers fully
synthetic with regular changes, and sympathetic treatment.

An ex neighbour used to let his son drive his T5. The little dear used to
scream up the hill towards the house, then up the drive, and switch off the
engine before the car came to a halt. The son lost his licence after
smashing up his own car, and we moved away before I could judge the outcome
for the T5.


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[AstraVanMan]

> I was told a while ago that it was turbo petrol engines that suffered more
> than turbo diesels, because they run at higher temperatures. I've never
had
> a turbo problem with 8 TD's. But they were all run on Millers fully
> synthetic with regular changes, and sympathetic treatment.
>
> An ex neighbour used to let his son drive his T5. The little dear used to
> scream up the hill towards the house, then up the drive, and switch off
the
> engine before the car came to a halt. The son lost his licence after
> smashing up his own car, and we moved away before I could judge the
outcome
> for the T5.

I wonder if their son was called Hugo. :-)

Peter
--
"The truth is working in television is not very glamorous at all. I just go
home on my own at night and sit alone and eat crisps."

[Huw]

"Moray Cuthill"

Have seen plenty more failures on vans, but these were caused by Ford's
> high quality turbos.
>
>

Aren't they made by Air Research, Shwizer, KKK, Holset or Mitsubishi? If
not, who supplies Ford with turbo's?

Huw

[Huw]

"mrcheerful ." <nbkm57@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> Some vehicles have an electric pump which continues to run after switch of
> so that the oil can cool and lubricate the turbo without the engine
> running (such as renault 21 turbo)
>

Almost all current production car turbo's and most van ones are water
cooled. It is water that is pumped through the turbo after engine shut-down.
Don't know specifically about renault 21 though.


> However, unless you come to a very quick stop after blasting up an alpine
> pass then I don't believe you need to worry about it.
>

Long term damage leading to faulty turbo's and even cracked heads is fairly
common and attributed directly to poor shut-down procedure. This is the case
even when a manufacturer does not specifically mention the nead for a
shut-down sequence, such as in modern BMW 3.0 as used also in Range Rover.

Huw

[Moray Cuthill]

"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2tg3j0F1uq6s9U1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Moray Cuthill"
>
> Have seen plenty more failures on vans, but these were caused by Ford's
>> high quality turbos.
>>
>>
>
> Aren't they made by Air Research, Shwizer, KKK, Holset or Mitsubishi? If
> not, who supplies Ford with turbo's?
>
> Huw
>

Garrett. Made to ford's standards.....just like the high *cough* quality
bosch fuel pumps.

[DuncanWood]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:53:20 +0100, Moray Cuthill
<moray.cuthill@v21.me.uk> wrote:

> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2tg3j0F1uq6s9U1@uni-berlin.de...
>>
>> "Moray Cuthill"
>>
>> Have seen plenty more failures on vans, but these were caused by Ford's
>>> high quality turbos.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Aren't they made by Air Research, Shwizer, KKK, Holset or Mitsubishi?
>> If
>> not, who supplies Ford with turbo's?
>>
>> Huw
>>
>
> Garrett. Made to ford's standards.....just like the high *cough* quality
> bosch fuel pumps.
>
>

Although Garrett was part of the CAV group :-) & come to think of it Ford
actually used to pay extra for an extra grading process on fuel pumps.

[JULIAN HALES]

"DuncanWood" <freenews@dmx512.co.uk> wrote in message
news:opsf1cq61ekx08km@amy...
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:53:20 +0100, Moray Cuthill
> <moray.cuthill@v21.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:2tg3j0F1uq6s9U1@uni-berlin.de...
> >>
> >> "Moray Cuthill"
> >>
> >> Have seen plenty more failures on vans, but these were caused by Ford's
> >>> high quality turbos.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Aren't they made by Air Research, Shwizer, KKK, Holset or Mitsubishi?
> >> If
> >> not, who supplies Ford with turbo's?
> >>
> >> Huw
> >>
> >
> > Garrett. Made to ford's standards.....just like the high *cough* quality
> > bosch fuel pumps.
> >
> >
>
> Although Garrett was part of the CAV group :-) & come to think of it Ford
> actually used to pay extra for an extra grading process on fuel pumps.

the TD mondeo hire car the other had no warning sticker, i used to cut the
engine after the turbo had kicked it.

Never OWNED a diesel do dont know from personal exp

[Huw]

"Moray Cuthill" <moray.cuthill@v21.me.uk> wrote in message
news:4173139f$1@news.greennet.net...
> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2tg3j0F1uq6s9U1@uni-berlin.de...
>>
>> "Moray Cuthill"
>>
>> Have seen plenty more failures on vans, but these were caused by Ford's
>>> high quality turbos.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Aren't they made by Air Research, Shwizer, KKK, Holset or Mitsubishi? If
>> not, who supplies Ford with turbo's?
>>
>> Huw
>>
>
> Garrett. Made to ford's standards.....just like the high *cough* quality
> bosch fuel pumps.
>

Garrett Airesearch, now part of Allied Signal, do tailor their products to
the manufacturers requirements of course, but the actual working parts of
the turbo will be to the same high standard as all their other products. The
occasional one does come through with a manufacturing fault though. I've not
long supplied a vehicle which blew oil out the exhaust from the second day.

Huw

[Pete M]

In news:2tg41vF1u5r8iU1@uni-berlin.de,
Huw <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls
with a rant as follows
> "mrcheerful ." <nbkm57@hotmail.com> wrote
>>
>> Some vehicles have an electric pump which continues to run after
>> switch of so that the oil can cool and lubricate the turbo without
>> the engine running (such as renault 21 turbo)
>>
>
> Almost all current production car turbo's and most van ones are water
> cooled. It is water that is pumped through the turbo after engine
> shut-down. Don't know specifically about renault 21 though.
>
>
>> However, unless you come to a very quick stop after blasting up an
>> alpine pass then I don't believe you need to worry about it.
>>
>
> Long term damage leading to faulty turbo's and even cracked heads is
> fairly common and attributed directly to poor shut-down procedure.
> This is the case even when a manufacturer does not specifically
> mention the nead for a shut-down sequence, such as in modern BMW 3.0
> as used also in Range Rover.

strangely enough, my brothers' 530d has just needed a new turbo. ('53 plate
30k miles).

--
Pete M

Ford Capri (ressurection starts soon)
Sierra V6 2.9 4x4 Twin Turbo Estate
COSOC #5
Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain

[Moray Cuthill]

"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2thd4hF1upvh4U1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Moray Cuthill" <moray.cuthill@v21.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:4173139f$1@news.greennet.net...
>> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:2tg3j0F1uq6s9U1@uni-berlin.de...
>>>
>>> "Moray Cuthill"
>>>
>>> Have seen plenty more failures on vans, but these were caused by Ford's
>>>> high quality turbos.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Aren't they made by Air Research, Shwizer, KKK, Holset or Mitsubishi?
>>> If not, who supplies Ford with turbo's?
>>>
>>> Huw
>>>
>>
>> Garrett. Made to ford's standards.....just like the high *cough* quality
>> bosch fuel pumps.
>>
>
> Garrett Airesearch, now part of Allied Signal, do tailor their products to
> the manufacturers requirements of course, but the actual working parts of
> the turbo will be to the same high standard as all their other products.
> The occasional one does come through with a manufacturing fault though.
> I've not long supplied a vehicle which blew oil out the exhaust from the
> second day.
>
> Huw

When the first of the 2.0L diesel transits came out, there was a major
recall to change the turbos, after several turbo failures. Some of the
failures even led to major engine damage. Even after the modified turbos
were fitted, we still got the occasional turbo failing..

As for the fuel pumps, rumour has it ford reduced the price they were
willing to pay Bosch for them. So Bosch reduced the quality to cut the
price. This resulted in pumps that either broke up internally, or started
leaking externally. Another costly lesson for Ford, as bosch denied
responsiblity. At the peak of this problem, we were fitting a new injection
pump every 2 weeks on average.

[AstraVanMan]

> When the first of the 2.0L diesel transits came out, there was a major
> recall to change the turbos, after several turbo failures. Some of the
> failures even led to major engine damage. Even after the modified turbos
> were fitted, we still got the occasional turbo failing..
>
> As for the fuel pumps, rumour has it ford reduced the price they were
> willing to pay Bosch for them. So Bosch reduced the quality to cut the
> price. This resulted in pumps that either broke up internally, or started
> leaking externally. Another costly lesson for Ford, as bosch denied
> responsiblity. At the peak of this problem, we were fitting a new
injection
> pump every 2 weeks on average.

Are you talking about the modern Transits? That's one thing I've never been
quite sure about - first I heard they were using the 2 litre TDCI engines,
then a lot of the DuraTorq (a synonym for TDCI if I'm not mistaken) Transits
have a 2.4 litre engine? What's what, and what sort of economy do they
give?

Peter
--
"The truth is working in television is not very glamorous at all. I just go
home on my own at night and sit alone and eat crisps."

[Pete M]

In news:2tiedcF1v51lqU1@uni-berlin.de,
Huw <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls
with a rant as follows

>> strangely enough, my brothers' 530d has just needed a new turbo. ('53
>> plate 30k miles).
>>
>
> If he continues to be a naughty boy then he should worry about a new
> head at some point ahead.

Heh, it's had two heads already. Long story...

> To be fair, all turbo car handbooks should warn of the correct
> procedure, but they increasingly don't, both because turbo's are more
> resilient due to water cooling and superior oils and because they
> think it will frighten the punters. They are correct in both cases
> but I feel it is best to have the information even though some anally
> retentative types will worry unnecessarily and take over-the-top
> preventative measures, even to the extent of shouting for 3000 mile
> oil changes perhaps LOL
Heh.... but BMWs never break. Diesels are better than petrols, etc. ;-)

--
Pete M

Ford Capri (ressurection starts soon)
Sierra V6 2.9 4x4 Twin Turbo Estate
COSOC #5
Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain

[Huw]

"Pete M" <pete.murray@blue-nopressedmeat-yonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:uqScd.104847$BI5.4243@fe2.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> In news:2tg41vF1u5r8iU1@uni-berlin.de,
> Huw <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> decided to enlighten our sheltered
> souls with a rant as follows
>> "mrcheerful ." <nbkm57@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>> Some vehicles have an electric pump which continues to run after
>>> switch of so that the oil can cool and lubricate the turbo without
>>> the engine running (such as renault 21 turbo)
>>>
>>
>> Almost all current production car turbo's and most van ones are water
>> cooled. It is water that is pumped through the turbo after engine
>> shut-down. Don't know specifically about renault 21 though.
>>
>>
>>> However, unless you come to a very quick stop after blasting up an
>>> alpine pass then I don't believe you need to worry about it.
>>>
>>
>> Long term damage leading to faulty turbo's and even cracked heads is
>> fairly common and attributed directly to poor shut-down procedure.
>> This is the case even when a manufacturer does not specifically
>> mention the nead for a shut-down sequence, such as in modern BMW 3.0
>> as used also in Range Rover.
>
> strangely enough, my brothers' 530d has just needed a new turbo. ('53
> plate 30k miles).
>

If he continues to be a naughty boy then he should worry about a new head at
some point ahead.
To be fair, all turbo car handbooks should warn of the correct procedure,
but they increasingly don't, both because turbo's are more resilient due to
water cooling and superior oils and because they think it will frighten the
punters. They are correct in both cases but I feel it is best to have the
information even though some anally retentative types will worry
unnecessarily and take over-the-top preventative measures, even to the
extent of shouting for 3000 mile oil changes perhaps LOL

Huw

[AstraVanMan]

> > If he continues to be a naughty boy then he should worry about a new
> > head at some point ahead.
>
> Heh, it's had two heads already. Long story...

Some engines have two heads already. Some even have four.

> > To be fair, all turbo car handbooks should warn of the correct
> > procedure, but they increasingly don't, both because turbo's are more
> > resilient due to water cooling and superior oils and because they
> > think it will frighten the punters. They are correct in both cases
> > but I feel it is best to have the information even though some anally
> > retentative types will worry unnecessarily and take over-the-top
> > preventative measures, even to the extent of shouting for 3000 mile
> > oil changes perhaps LOL
> Heh.... but BMWs never break. Diesels are better than petrols, etc. ;-)

Peter
--
"The truth is working in television is not very glamorous at all. I just go
home on my own at night and sit alone and eat crisps."

[Huw]

"AstraVanMan" <****Off@WithThanks.com> wrote in message
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>> > If he continues to be a naughty boy then he should worry about a new
>> > head at some point ahead.
>>
>> Heh, it's had two heads already. Long story...
>
> Some engines have two heads already. Some even have four.
>


Since you mention it, I have a six cylinder engine with two heads and it is
brand new. I also have another with six separate heads and cylinder pots.
Totally irrelevant to the bloke who has had several heads fail, but he
should realise that he would have the same problem with a petrol turbo
engine and, if he was a real animal, even with any naturally aspirated
engine eventually.

Huw

[Moray Cuthill]

"AstraVanMan" <****Off@WithThanks.com> wrote in message
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>> When the first of the 2.0L diesel transits came out, there was a major
>> recall to change the turbos, after several turbo failures. Some of the
>> failures even led to major engine damage. Even after the modified turbos
>> were fitted, we still got the occasional turbo failing..
>>
>> As for the fuel pumps, rumour has it ford reduced the price they were
>> willing to pay Bosch for them. So Bosch reduced the quality to cut the
>> price. This resulted in pumps that either broke up internally, or started
>> leaking externally. Another costly lesson for Ford, as bosch denied
>> responsiblity. At the peak of this problem, we were fitting a new
> injection
>> pump every 2 weeks on average.
>
> Are you talking about the modern Transits? That's one thing I've never
> been
> quite sure about - first I heard they were using the 2 litre TDCI engines,
> then a lot of the DuraTorq (a synonym for TDCI if I'm not mistaken)
> Transits
> have a 2.4 litre engine? What's what, and what sort of economy do they
> give?
>

Yep. The transit 2000.

The front wheel drive use the 2.0l. Early ones were the duratorq di, newer
ones are TDCI. Exact same engine that's put in the mondeo and focus.
The rear wheel drive use the 2.4l, with the latest ones also being TDCI.

Haven't got a clue about economy, as they're all company vans and they've
all got fuel cards. Plus I only fix the things.

If you wanted, I could quite easily make quite a long list of the common
faults on the new transit. But unforutunetly, they're still the best of
whats available.

[AstraVanMan]

> Yep. The transit 2000.
>
> The front wheel drive use the 2.0l. Early ones were the duratorq di, newer
> ones are TDCI. Exact same engine that's put in the mondeo and focus.
> The rear wheel drive use the 2.4l, with the latest ones also being TDCI.
>
> Haven't got a clue about economy, as they're all company vans and they've
> all got fuel cards. Plus I only fix the things.
>
> If you wanted, I could quite easily make quite a long list of the common
> faults on the new transit. But unforutunetly, they're still the best of
> whats available.

Ah - didn't know any of the modern Tran****es were RWD. I quite like
Renault Masters. Cheaper as well.

Peter
--
"The truth is working in television is not very glamorous at all. I just go
home on my own at night and sit alone and eat crisps."

[Moray Cuthill]

"AstraVanMan" <****Off@WithThanks.com> wrote in message
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>> Yep. The transit 2000.
>>
>> The front wheel drive use the 2.0l. Early ones were the duratorq di,
>> newer
>> ones are TDCI. Exact same engine that's put in the mondeo and focus.
>> The rear wheel drive use the 2.4l, with the latest ones also being TDCI.
>>
>> Haven't got a clue about economy, as they're all company vans and they've
>> all got fuel cards. Plus I only fix the things.
>>
>> If you wanted, I could quite easily make quite a long list of the common
>> faults on the new transit. But unforutunetly, they're still the best of
>> whats available.
>
> Ah - didn't know any of the modern Tran****es were RWD. I quite like
> Renault Masters. Cheaper as well.

You think transits are bad. Don't even get me started about renault masters.

[AstraVanMan]

> >> Yep. The transit 2000.
> >>
> >> The front wheel drive use the 2.0l. Early ones were the duratorq di,
> >> newer
> >> ones are TDCI. Exact same engine that's put in the mondeo and focus.
> >> The rear wheel drive use the 2.4l, with the latest ones also being
TDCI.
> >>
> >> Haven't got a clue about economy, as they're all company vans and
they've
> >> all got fuel cards. Plus I only fix the things.
> >>
> >> If you wanted, I could quite easily make quite a long list of the
common
> >> faults on the new transit. But unforutunetly, they're still the best of
> >> whats available.
> >
> > Ah - didn't know any of the modern Tran****es were RWD. I quite like
> > Renault Masters. Cheaper as well.
>
> You think transits are bad. Don't even get me started about renault
masters.

I've done around 10k in mine in the last few months and it hasn't given me
any problems (S reg 2.5D, first of the newer shape). Fuel economy isn't
great, but it's reasonable (I average 27-28mpg out of it, doing multi-drop
work, engine running all the time), and it starts first time every morning
and nothing goes wrong. It never gave the previous owner (who I know) any
trouble at all in 6 years of ownership. Can't complain really.

Peter
--
"The truth is working in television is not very glamorous at all. I just go
home on my own at night and sit alone and eat crisps."

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Moray Cuthill"
<moray_dot_cuthill@v21.me.uk> saying something like:

>When the first of the 2.0L diesel transits came out, there was a major
>recall to change the turbos, after several turbo failures. Some of the
>failures even led to major engine damage. Even after the modified turbos
>were fitted, we still got the occasional turbo failing..
>
>As for the fuel pumps, rumour has it ford reduced the price they were
>willing to pay Bosch for them. So Bosch reduced the quality to cut the
>price. This resulted in pumps that either broke up internally, or started
>leaking externally. Another costly lesson for Ford, as bosch denied
>responsiblity. At the peak of this problem, we were fitting a new injection
>pump every 2 weeks on average.

<perks up>

****. Is there any way of telling whether my Tranny has had the recall
modifications done to it?
--

Dave
SE6a

[Moray Cuthill]

"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimlycurmudgeon683@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ir3bn0dr37cuua4qmrgs8jj56lgairjkbh@4ax.com...
> It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "Moray Cuthill"
> <moray_dot_cuthill@v21.me.uk> saying something like:
>
>>When the first of the 2.0L diesel transits came out, there was a major
>>recall to change the turbos, after several turbo failures. Some of the
>>failures even led to major engine damage. Even after the modified turbos
>>were fitted, we still got the occasional turbo failing..
>>
>>As for the fuel pumps, rumour has it ford reduced the price they were
>>willing to pay Bosch for them. So Bosch reduced the quality to cut the
>>price. This resulted in pumps that either broke up internally, or started
>>leaking externally. Another costly lesson for Ford, as bosch denied
>>responsiblity. At the peak of this problem, we were fitting a new
>>injection
>>pump every 2 weeks on average.
>
> <perks up>
>
> ****. Is there any way of telling whether my Tranny has had the recall
> modifications done to it?
> --
>
> Dave
> SE6a

The original recall was over 2 years ago, and only affected certain 2.0l
vehicles. From what I remember the modified turbos had a paint mark on them
(think it was yellow).
The early signs of failure was oil leaking around the centre joint of the
turbo.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Moray Cuthill"
<moray.cuthill@v21.me.uk> saying something like:

>The original recall was over 2 years ago, and only affected certain 2.0l
>vehicles. From what I remember the modified turbos had a paint mark on them
>(think it was yellow).
>The early signs of failure was oil leaking around the centre joint of the
>turbo.

Thanks for that.
--

Dave
SE6a