Re: So that's what it was for...

[platypus]

The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've ridden ATCs, so I
>> know what crap handling 3 wheelers are like
>
>
> Not exactly the same thing. Not at all.
>
> A decent outfit doesn't handle badly, but they *do* handle
> asymmetrically. In that left-handers are totally different from
> right-handers, as we all know, kiddies.
>
> (What side is the chair mounted on Platy's? ISTR right-hand chairs
> being banned many moons ago. ATC three-wheelers were as well, come to
> that.)

Right-hand chairs are ilegal from 1981 onwards, which is a pity, cos you can
only get the 2WD outfits with a right-hand chair. There's no safety issues
beyond what you'd get with a LHD car, and no-one's been able to
satisfactorily explain why they're banned. My chair is on the other side,
of course.

> Anyway, there's a damn steep learning curve...... Punctuated, often,
> by several holes in the scenery.

<chokes back famous last words>

> I could get round tight right-handers on my old outfit faster than
> *any* solo. Left-handers, OTOH..... an old boy on his 1950-s Raleigh
> would probably be quicker.

There's going to be a certain amount of ballast deployed...

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[platypus]

Muck wrote:
> platypus wrote:
>> sweller wrote:
>>
>>> platypus wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I could get round tight right-handers on my old outfit faster than
>>>>> any solo. Left-handers, OTOH..... an old boy on his 1950-s Raleigh
>>>>> would probably be quicker.
>>>>
>>>> There's going to be a certain amount of ballast deployed...
>>>
>>> IME, they don't like being called ballast.
>>
>>
>> I usually substitute the word "bitch"...
>>
>
> Heh, bitch ballast, and chav ballast.

Right, I've survived.

Charged the battery overnight, slung it back into the bike this morning.
The bike fires up, runs, ticks over happily enough. It's charging, so no
worries there.

So, I heaved a 25Kg bag of gravel into the chair and went out for a trundle.

OMFG.

It shakes the bars constantly, moves across the road with changes in
throttle position, and it's very weird having the chair alongside. Anyway,
I seemed to be getting the hang of it, when I throttled off for an
approaching downhill lefthand curve, and the ****er changed lanes into the
oncoming traffic. It was quite strange, like I was being pushed firmly to
the right. I got back to my side with inches to spare, and chugged back to
the house in a slightly more cautious fashion.

I'll go out for a bit more practice in a little while...

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[Owen]

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:15:23 GMT, "platypus"
<monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>mups wrote:
>> platypus monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk says...
>>>
>>> OMFG.
>>>
>>> It shakes the bars constantly, moves across the road with changes in
>>> throttle position, and it's very weird having the chair alongside.
>>> Anyway, I seemed to be getting the hang of it, when I throttled off
>>> for an approaching downhill lefthand curve, and the ****er changed
>>> lanes into the oncoming traffic. It was quite strange, like I was
>>> being pushed firmly to the right. I got back to my side with inches
>>> to spare, and chugged back to the house in a slightly more cautious
>>> fashion.
>>
>> You're not putting me off, you know.
>
>I don't want to put anybody off. Oh no, not at all. My agenda is
>infinitely more sadistic.

Mean ol' Daddy don't need to ask...
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[The Older Gentleman]

platypus <monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> sweller wrote:
> > platypus wrote:
> >
> >> Hah. Just back from the second trundle, no uncommanded excursions
> >> this time, and the chair wheel has not - so far as I'm aware - left
> >> the ground once.
> >
> > Right. That's it. I've been putting it off for ages but I now feel
> > the absolute need to get my MZ outfit up, running and on the road.
>
> Being as how MZs are two-smokes, can you get them to run in reverse?


Get the timing over-advanced. DAMHIKIJK,OK?


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[Muck]

platypus wrote:
> Muck wrote:
>
>>platypus wrote:
>>
>>>sweller wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>platypus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>I could get round tight right-handers on my old outfit faster than
>>>>>>any solo. Left-handers, OTOH..... an old boy on his 1950-s Raleigh
>>>>>>would probably be quicker.
>>>>>
>>>>>There's going to be a certain amount of ballast deployed...
>>>>
>>>>IME, they don't like being called ballast.
>>>
>>>
>>>I usually substitute the word "bitch"...
>>>
>>
>>Heh, bitch ballast, and chav ballast.
>
>
> Right, I've survived.
>
> Charged the battery overnight, slung it back into the bike this morning.
> The bike fires up, runs, ticks over happily enough. It's charging, so no
> worries there.
>
> So, I heaved a 25Kg bag of gravel into the chair and went out for a trundle.
>
> OMFG.
>
> It shakes the bars constantly, moves across the road with changes in
> throttle position, and it's very weird having the chair alongside. Anyway,
> I seemed to be getting the hang of it, when I throttled off for an
> approaching downhill lefthand curve, and the ****er changed lanes into the
> oncoming traffic. It was quite strange, like I was being pushed firmly to
> the right. I got back to my side with inches to spare, and chugged back to
> the house in a slightly more cautious fashion.
>
> I'll go out for a bit more practice in a little while...
>

Excellent, sounds like your master plan is moving along nicely[1].

[1]Reading your other posts since this one.

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[platypus]

The Older Gentleman wrote:
> platypus <monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> sweller wrote:
>>> platypus wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hah. Just back from the second trundle, no uncommanded excursions
>>>> this time, and the chair wheel has not - so far as I'm aware - left
>>>> the ground once.
>>>
>>> Right. That's it. I've been putting it off for ages but I now feel
>>> the absolute need to get my MZ outfit up, running and on the road.
>>
>> Being as how MZs are two-smokes, can you get them to run in reverse?
>
>
> Get the timing over-advanced. DAMHIKIJK,OK?

So an advance/retard lever would be a practical reverse selector for an
MZ-powered hack?

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[platypus]

Muck wrote:
> platypus wrote:
>>
>> I'll go out for a bit more practice in a little while...
>>
>
> Excellent, sounds like your master plan is moving along nicely[1].

The plan has been a bit stalled today, for "domestic" reasons.

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[Muck]

platypus wrote:
> Muck wrote:
>
>>platypus wrote:
>>
>>>I'll go out for a bit more practice in a little while...
>>>
>>
>>Excellent, sounds like your master plan is moving along nicely[1].
>
>
> The plan has been a bit stalled today, for "domestic" reasons.
>

Shame... all this talk of side cars, got me thinking how I could put a
chair on my FZR250. After about 10 minutes of thought, I decided that it
would turn a sweet handling thing into an instrument of torture.

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[The Older Gentleman]

platypus <monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > platypus <monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> sweller wrote:
> >>> platypus wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hah. Just back from the second trundle, no uncommanded excursions
> >>>> this time, and the chair wheel has not - so far as I'm aware - left
> >>>> the ground once.
> >>>
> >>> Right. That's it. I've been putting it off for ages but I now feel
> >>> the absolute need to get my MZ outfit up, running and on the road.
> >>
> >> Being as how MZs are two-smokes, can you get them to run in reverse?
> >
> >
> > Get the timing over-advanced. DAMHIKIJK,OK?
>
> So an advance/retard lever would be a practical reverse selector for an
> MZ-powered hack?

Well thought, that man. Actually, I don't think that the MZ has any
advance-retard mechanism at all. I cant think of many points-ignition
strokers I've owned that have.

Lozzo?



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[Muck]

platypus wrote:
> Muck wrote:
>
>>platypus wrote:
>>
>>>Muck wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>platypus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'll go out for a bit more practice in a little while...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Excellent, sounds like your master plan is moving along nicely[1].
>>>
>>>
>>>The plan has been a bit stalled today, for "domestic" reasons.
>>>
>>
>>Shame... all this talk of side cars, got me thinking how I could put a
>>chair on my FZR250. After about 10 minutes of thought, I decided that
>>it would turn a sweet handling thing into an instrument of torture.
>
>
> Let's put it this way: the tractor cost me less than the labour and parts to
> have a sidecar professionally installed on the Drifter. And the tractor's
> got reverse.
>

Putting it that way, it makes a lot of sense.

> Get an old heap with a chair already fitted. Top speed, engine capacity and
> 17" wheels aren't factors you need to worry about.
>

True, taking a sweet handling bike, then making it handle like a pissed
jelly fish does seem like a bit of a waste. I've been thinking of
getting either a trike or an outfit for a while, just had more bikes
than money, so it's never happened.

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[Lozzo]

The Older Gentleman says...
> platypus <monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > > platypus <monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >> sweller wrote:
> > >>> platypus wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hah. Just back from the second trundle, no uncommanded excursions
> > >>>> this time, and the chair wheel has not - so far as I'm aware - left
> > >>>> the ground once.
> > >>>
> > >>> Right. That's it. I've been putting it off for ages but I now feel
> > >>> the absolute need to get my MZ outfit up, running and on the road.
> > >>
> > >> Being as how MZs are two-smokes, can you get them to run in reverse?
> > >
> > >
> > > Get the timing over-advanced. DAMHIKIJK,OK?
> >
> > So an advance/retard lever would be a practical reverse selector for an
> > MZ-powered hack?
>
> Well thought, that man. Actually, I don't think that the MZ has any
> advance-retard mechanism at all. I cant think of many points-ignition
> strokers I've owned that have.
>
> Lozzo?

IIRC the RD200 had one with some kind of weighted mechanism that sat
outside of the dynastart, but I could be wrong. Other than that, can't
think of any.

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[The Older Gentleman]

Lozzo <lozzo@speedyspic.co.uk> wrote:

> > >
> > > So an advance/retard lever would be a practical reverse selector for an
> > > MZ-powered hack?
> >
> > Well thought, that man. Actually, I don't think that the MZ has any
> > advance-retard mechanism at all. I cant think of many points-ignition
> > strokers I've owned that have.
> >
> > Lozzo?
>
> IIRC the RD200 had one with some kind of weighted mechanism that sat
> outside of the dynastart, but I could be wrong. Other than that, can't
> think of any.

I wonder why not? Also, I wonder if electronic ignition strokers had one
built-in or not.



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[sweller]

The Older Gentleman wrote:

> Well thought, that man. Actually, I don't think that the MZ has any
> advance-retard mechanism at all.

Early MZ ES had advance bob weights - later ones didn't.

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[mups]

Lozzo lozzo@speedyspic.co.uk says...
> The Older Gentleman says...
> >
> > Well thought, that man. Actually, I don't think that the MZ has any
> > advance-retard mechanism at all. I cant think of many points-ignition
> > strokers I've owned that have.
> >
> > Lozzo?
>
> IIRC the RD200 had one with some kind of weighted mechanism that sat
> outside of the dynastart, but I could be wrong. Other than that, can't
> think of any.

You're not. The RS200 has a couple of spring loaded blob weights which
advance the timing at about 3000RPM.

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[mups]

The Older Gentleman chateauSPAMKILL.murray@dsl.pipex.com says...
> Lozzo <lozzo@speedyspic.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > IIRC the RD200 had one with some kind of weighted mechanism that sat
> > outside of the dynastart, but I could be wrong. Other than that, can't
> > think of any.
>
> I wonder why not? Also, I wonder if electronic ignition strokers had one
> built-in or not.

IIRTC the RD500 had a little black box which adjusted the timing
according to engine speed and throttle position.

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