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porl

01-21-2005, 03:18 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <348lrqF461hpgU1@individual.net>, porl says...
>>
>> "Veggie Dave" <Veggie~Dave@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>> news:1Biqf8Rd1x3BJwpH@number1.dsl.pipex.com...
>> > Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote the following literary
>> > masterpiece:
>> >>> The rear brake is a massive weapon in your bike riding arsenal and
>> >>> shouldn't be ignored
>> >>
>> >>Not on a sportsbike ... at least, not especially.
>> >
>> > I learnt how important the rear brake is on race-reps when I found out
>> > how much they can control a bike midcorner
>>
>> How does that work?
>
> Dragging it slightly can steady the bike up [1], I know that much, but
> beyond that I've not a clue.
>
> [1] although in practice, 99% of the time if you need to use it, you've
> probably ballsed the corner up anyway

Well that notwithstanding, if you're on a racetrack mid-corner- especially
on a RH- htf are you going to use the back brake even if you want to? Aren't
the balls of your feet resting nicely on the pegs?

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:18 AM

In article <349pj5F41p4nrU1@individual.net>, porl says...
>
> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1c4936393583a9ad9899a9@News.individual.ne t...
> > In article <348lrqF461hpgU1@individual.net>, porl says...
> >>
> >> "Veggie Dave" <Veggie~Dave@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> >> news:1Biqf8Rd1x3BJwpH@number1.dsl.pipex.com...
> >> > Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote the following literary
> >> > masterpiece:
> >> >>> The rear brake is a massive weapon in your bike riding arsenal and
> >> >>> shouldn't be ignored
> >> >>
> >> >>Not on a sportsbike ... at least, not especially.
> >> >
> >> > I learnt how important the rear brake is on race-reps when I found out
> >> > how much they can control a bike midcorner
> >>
> >> How does that work?
> >
> > Dragging it slightly can steady the bike up [1], I know that much, but
> > beyond that I've not a clue.
> >
> > [1] although in practice, 99% of the time if you need to use it, you've
> > probably ballsed the corner up anyway
>
> Well that notwithstanding, if you're on a racetrack mid-corner- especially
> on a RH- htf are you going to use the back brake even if you want to? Aren't
> the balls of your feet resting nicely on the pegs?

Thumb rear brake ;)

And who said anything about racetracks?

Oh, and one of my bad biking habits is not putting the balls of my feet
on the pegs. I've tried to ride that way before, but it just doesn't
work for me at all. Wore out a pair of boots doing it, too :(
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Marillion "Marbles"

porl

01-21-2005, 03:18 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> And who said anything about racetracks?

"Too many people ignore the rear brake. Oddly enough, the riders who've
won all the MotoGP/GP 500 Championships since 1990 are all famous for
using the rear brake"

> Oh, and one of my bad biking habits is not putting the balls of my feet
> on the pegs. I've tried to ride that way before, but it just doesn't
> work for me at all. Wore out a pair of boots doing it, too :(

Pigeon toes?

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:18 AM

In article <34a022F494vi6U1@individual.net>, porl says...
>
> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1c49d9c61ad0b79d9899b3@News.individual.ne t...
> > And who said anything about racetracks?
>
> "Too many people ignore the rear brake. Oddly enough, the riders who've
> won all the MotoGP/GP 500 Championships since 1990 are all famous for
> using the rear brake"

Tenuous at best, and it wasn't me wot said it, but cheers for taking the
time :)

> > Oh, and one of my bad biking habits is not putting the balls of my feet
> > on the pegs. I've tried to ride that way before, but it just doesn't
> > work for me at all. Wore out a pair of boots doing it, too :(
>
> Pigeon toes?

No. Crap foot placement [1]

[1] on the peg I mean, rather than me having, say, a foot on my elbow
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Marillion "Marbles"

porl

01-21-2005, 03:18 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c49dafc719083259899b5@News.individual.ne t...
> In article <34a022F494vi6U1@individual.net>, porl says...
>>
>> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1c49d9c61ad0b79d9899b3@News.individual.ne t...
>> > And who said anything about racetracks?
>>
>> "Too many people ignore the rear brake. Oddly enough, the riders who've
>> won all the MotoGP/GP 500 Championships since 1990 are all famous for
>> using the rear brake"
>
> Tenuous at best, and it wasn't me wot said it, but cheers for taking the
> time :)

I didn't say you did. I'm not sure how we've got from accepting that the
back brake is **** to suddenly agreeing with Veggie that's it's amazing.

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:18 AM

In article <34a0k3F47mtv9U1@individual.net>, porl says...
>
> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1c49dafc719083259899b5@News.individual.ne t...
> > In article <34a022F494vi6U1@individual.net>, porl says...
> >>
> >> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.1c49d9c61ad0b79d9899b3@News.individual.ne t...
> >> > And who said anything about racetracks?
> >>
> >> "Too many people ignore the rear brake. Oddly enough, the riders who've
> >> won all the MotoGP/GP 500 Championships since 1990 are all famous for
> >> using the rear brake"
> >
> > Tenuous at best, and it wasn't me wot said it, but cheers for taking the
> > time :)
>
> I didn't say you did. I'm not sure how we've got from accepting that the
> back brake is **** to suddenly agreeing with Veggie that's it's amazing.

heh.

I'm just going with the flow ... these days you seem stroppier than me
.... I'm not entirely sure which one of us should be more concerned.

<thinks>

On balance, you :)

PS. I very rarely use the rear brake at all, unless it's raining [1]

[1] just restating our position and changing tack slightly ... should
throw the hounds off the scent for a while, giving you, as the brains of
the operation, time to come up with a killer put-down for the rear
brake-isti
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Marillion "Marbles"

porl

01-21-2005, 03:18 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> heh.
>
> I'm just going with the flow ... these days you seem stroppier than me
> ... I'm not entirely sure which one of us should be more concerned.

Aah...once again accusations from you of being stroppy just because I'm not
making jokes. You know how much I love *that*, keep it up. FYI I would have
very little reason to be stroppy since I'm going snowboarding tomorrow, I've
got a new DAW on the way and I've just been told how much my tax refund is
this year which is probably going to pay for some racing action (or some
home improvements is it goes that way instead). Eat that!

> [1] just restating our position and changing tack slightly ... should
> throw the hounds off the scent for a while, giving you, as the brains of
> the operation, time to come up with a killer put-down for the rear
> brake-isti

Heh, don't think I need to really. Just bolstering Mr Sterry's corner as
he's taking some unjustified flak imo.

porl

01-21-2005, 03:18 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> What sort of racing? KRC?

I'm looking at Ducati monsters atm. Cheap (relatively) and cheerful.

> TBH I don't really care one way or another ... I know what I do, I'm
> happy to listen to how others do it, but at the end of the day I doubt
> it's going to radically change my life one way or the other.

Er...I don't think anyone said it would.

Champ

01-21-2005, 03:18 AM

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:05:23 -0000, "porl" <porlp@btinternet.com>
wrote:

>> Dragging it slightly can steady the bike up [1], I know that much, but
>> beyond that I've not a clue.

>Well that notwithstanding, if you're on a racetrack mid-corner- especially
>on a RH- htf are you going to use the back brake even if you want to? Aren't
>the balls of your feet resting nicely on the pegs?

By one of those strange coincidences, Doohan found that when he went
to using a thumb rear brake (cos his wrecked right leg couldn't work
the peddle), he had more control, and used it more, especially on
right handers. Subsequently, plenty of able-bodied racers have gone
to using thumb brakes for the same reason.

However, I don't *really* unerstand how braking the rear is going to
help - I don't see much a difference between it and rolling the
throttle. I think the guys who use the rear brake mid-corner are in
the top 0.01% of racers.

--
Champ

porl

01-21-2005, 03:18 AM

"Champ" <news@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:24:00 -0000, "porl" <porlp@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:MPG.1c49de10a8dc1ab09899b6@News.individual.ne t...
>>
>>> heh.
>>>
>>> I'm just going with the flow ... these days you seem stroppier than me
>>> ... I'm not entirely sure which one of us should be more concerned.
>>
>>Aah...once again accusations from you of being stroppy just because I'm
>>not
>>making jokes. You know how much I love *that*, keep it up. FYI I would
>>have
>>very little reason to be stroppy since I'm going snowboarding tomorrow,
>>I've
>>got a new DAW on the way
>
> What's a DAW?

porl

01-21-2005, 03:18 AM

Champ

01-21-2005, 03:18 AM

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:31:29 -0000, "porl" <porlp@btinternet.com>
wrote:

>"Champ" <news@champ.org.uk> wrote in message

>> What's a DAW?
>
>http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci213647,00.html

oh. Ta.
--
Champ