Re: Fuggit - That's me keeping the L plates a bit longer then :-/

[Richard Sterry]

"Veggie Dave" <Veggie~Dave@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> Richard Sterry <no_spam@all.ever> wrote the following literary
> masterpiece:
>>Actually, I do use a _little_ bit of back brake when SMWBO is, er,
>>ballasting the back down a bit, but otherwise I stand by my words.
>
> You gave generic advice that isn't true in numerous cases, one of which
> you've just pointed out

Since when did people take the test with a pillion on the back? My advice
was clearly in the context of the question, which is emergency stop in a
test. Experienced riders may well develop more sophisticated techniques for
dealing with more complex situations, but this guy is not experienced yet.

> Learn to do it properly and then, and only then, can you decide if that
> technique is really required in a given situation on a given bike.

The guy is taking his test, and braking in a straight line on the
instruction of the examiner. His current technique ain't working for him, so
he needs to change it. Ignoring the back brake, (assuming the front one
actually works!), is well worth trying. It's easy enough to practice
somewhere away from the traffic, to establish what does and what does not
work well.

Rick

[Pip]

"Richard Sterry" <no_spam@all.ever> struggled to ejaculate:

>"Veggie Dave" <Veggie~Dave@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>news:smzcGAObTx3BJwoU@number1.dsl.pipex.com...
>> Richard Sterry <no_spam@all.ever> wrote the following literary
>> masterpiece:
>>>Actually, I do use a _little_ bit of back brake when SMWBO is, er,
>>>ballasting the back down a bit, but otherwise I stand by my words.
>>
>> You gave generic advice that isn't true in numerous cases, one of which
>> you've just pointed out
>
>Since when did people take the test with a pillion on the back? My advice
>was clearly in the context of the question, which is emergency stop in a
>test. Experienced riders may well develop more sophisticated techniques for
>dealing with more complex situations, but this guy is not experienced yet.

Do you know how experienced the OP is?
If you don't, you'd best ask him.

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[porl]

"Pip" <pip@garageOMITTHISpixies.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Richard Sterry" <no_spam@all.ever> struggled to ejaculate:
>
>>"Veggie Dave" <Veggie~Dave@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>>news:smzcGAObTx3BJwoU@number1.dsl.pipex.com...
>>> Richard Sterry <no_spam@all.ever> wrote the following literary
>>> masterpiece:
>>>>Actually, I do use a _little_ bit of back brake when SMWBO is, er,
>>>>ballasting the back down a bit, but otherwise I stand by my words.
>>>
>>> You gave generic advice that isn't true in numerous cases, one of which
>>> you've just pointed out
>>
>>Since when did people take the test with a pillion on the back? My advice
>>was clearly in the context of the question, which is emergency stop in a
>>test. Experienced riders may well develop more sophisticated techniques
>>for
>>dealing with more complex situations, but this guy is not experienced yet.
>
> Do you know how experienced the OP is?
> If you don't, you'd best ask him.

Not experienced enough to pass the emergency stop or know (suddenly- sic)
not to enter a box junction with no clear exit presumably (or old enough to
remember the giant cartoon hand that would pick him up and finger him
senseless in the local cop shop).

Personally I don't see how feathering the back brake on a sportsbike mid
corner or bringing the front down from a wheelie is relevant to an emergency
stop on a public road. For the record in my test I touched the back brake
but didn't actually use it as a braking force. However, if he was on a
scooter who cares.

[Richard Sterry]

"Pip" <pip@garageOMITTHISpixies.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Do you know how experienced the OP is?
> If you don't, you'd best ask him.

Well, I have made what seemed a reasonable assumption there, it's true -
based on the nature of the questions.

Rick

[Donegal Paul]

"porl" sayeth unto "Pip" who was replying to "Richard Sterry"

Experienced riders may well develop more sophisticated techniques
>>>for
>>>dealing with more complex situations, but this guy is not experienced
>>>yet.
>>
>> Do you know how experienced the OP is?
>> If you don't, you'd best ask him.

Been riding about oooohhh 3 plus years?
>
> Not experienced enough to pass the emergency stop

ah well, to be fair i can do it, and 99 times out of 100 its perfect, even
had to do an unscheduled one actually during the test when some cunt in a
beemer pulled out in front of me, and it was perfect too.

or know (suddenly- sic)
> not to enter a box junction with no clear exit presumably (or old enough
> to remember the giant cartoon hand that would pick him up and finger him
> senseless in the local cop shop).

you can enter it, but only if its is clear, the issue was stopping in one,
which you can only do in a right turn situation.
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[porl]

"Donegal Paul" <donegalpaulREMOVE@thepilgrimssc.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "porl" sayeth unto "Pip" who was replying to "Richard Sterry"
>
> Experienced riders may well develop more sophisticated techniques
>>>>for
>>>>dealing with more complex situations, but this guy is not experienced
>>>>yet.
>>>
>>> Do you know how experienced the OP is?
>>> If you don't, you'd best ask him.
>
> Been riding about oooohhh 3 plus years?
>>
>> Not experienced enough to pass the emergency stop
>
> ah well, to be fair i can do it, and 99 times out of 100 its perfect, even
> had to do an unscheduled one actually during the test when some cunt in a
> beemer pulled out in front of me, and it was perfect too.

Pressures of the test and the capricious nature of examiners are terrifying

> you can enter it, but only if its is clear, the issue was stopping in one,
> which you can only do in a right turn situation.

In a right turn, when the exit is clear (to wait for a break in oncoming
traffic). If the exit wasn't clear you can't enter it and then the issue of
stopping in it wouldn't arise. Unless of course oncoming traffic turned left
(your right) and came to a standstill while you were waiting in the box.
Then you simply gas it and ride over the top.