New Honda 400 Four for sale

[Ben Blaney]

Second one down in the Honda section.

http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/_thebikeshop.htm

--
Ben Blaney

[steve auvache]

Ben Blaney wrote
>Second one down in the Honda section.
>
>http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/_thebikeshop.htm

5 ****ing grand!!!! They are having a giraffe Shirley?

On anther note, I notice that all their ads for FZRs say they are manual
gearboxes, how long has the auto option been available and where do I
buy one?



--
steve auvache
MZ TS150: for sale still.
Bandit 600

[Paul Corfield]

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:09:50 +0200, Ben Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net>
wrote:

>Second one down in the Honda section.
>
>http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/_thebikeshop.htm

I'm almost half tempted except TOG would only make rude remarks about me
being far too fat to ride with any sense of style.

The Pan Euro and CB1300 further down the list are mildly tempting.
--
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VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS
BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09
Admits to working for London Underground!

[The Older Gentleman]

Ben Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net> wrote:

> Second one down in the Honda section.
>
> http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/_thebikeshop.htm


ISTR seeing that advertised somewhere else, a while back, for rather
less money.

Well, if am absolutely concours early Z1 or CB750 is worth eight grand
upwards (and they are), then......

.......*maybe*

Something like a museum in Japan might reckon it worth having - quite a
few 400 Fours have been heading back to Japan in recent years. Hell,
those brand new 400 Four carbs I sold went to Japan for well over 300
quid.

I wouldn't recommend anyone here blowing five grand on one, but if
you're a serious collector, then you probably won't ever find another.


--
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BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....

[The Older Gentleman]

Paul Corfield <aooy65@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:09:50 +0200, Ben Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Second one down in the Honda section.
> >
> >http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/_thebikeshop.htm
>
> I'm almost half tempted except TOG would only make rude remarks about me
> being far too fat to ride with any sense of style.
>

Heh. I'd forgotten your trying one out for size. Looked like you had a
roller blade between your arse-cheeks.



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GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....

[Lozzo]

Ben Blaney says...
> Second one down in the Honda section.
>
> http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/_thebikeshop.htm

In real terms that's an absolute bargain.

--
Lozzo
ZX-9R
In cunnis confidimus

[sweller]

Lozzo wrote:

> In real terms that's an absolute bargain.

How much is a new ER-5, GS 500 or similar? How does it stack up as a
brand new bike against stuff like that?

--
Simon

http://www.sweller.co.uk/sob/

[Lozzo]

sweller says...
> Lozzo wrote:
>
> > In real terms that's an absolute bargain.
>
> How much is a new ER-5, GS 500 or similar? How does it stack up as a
> brand new bike against stuff like that?

The ER5 would be worth half what you pad for it in a couple of years and
not give the same amount of pleasure to an enthusiast. The 400 Four you
could keep forever, and if looked after will give you back what you paid
for it in years to come. To ride, I think I'd take the Honda, I find
them immensely satisfying to ride, whereas I get off things like ER5s
and think they are just transport.

--
Lozzo
ZX-9R
In cunnis confidimus

[sweller]

Lozzo wrote:

> > How much is a new ER-5, GS 500 or similar? How does it stack up as a
> > brand new bike against stuff like that?
>
> The ER5 would be worth half what you pad for it in a couple of years
> and not give the same amount of pleasure to an enthusiast.

I know that. What I wondered is how they actually compare against each
other in terms of handling and performance; allowing for the power
differential.

What's the initial purchase cost of an ER-5?

--
Simon

http://www.sweller.co.uk/sob/

[Loz H]

Paul Corfield <aooy65@dsl.pipex.com> spewed forth the following...


> I'm almost half tempted except TOG would only make rude remarks about
> me being far too fat to ride with any sense of style.
>

Which is why I`ve got a 550/Four. Lovingly designed with the more
comfortably padded in mind.


--
Loz H
~ Hairy, Ugly and Fat ~
CB550F CB200

[Paul Corfield]

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:54:07 +0000, "sweller" <ng@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>Lozzo wrote:
>
>> > How much is a new ER-5, GS 500 or similar? How does it stack up as a
>> > brand new bike against stuff like that?
>>
>> The ER5 would be worth half what you pad for it in a couple of years
>> and not give the same amount of pleasure to an enthusiast.
>
>I know that. What I wondered is how they actually compare against each
>other in terms of handling and performance; allowing for the power
>differential.

I can only make a limited comment but I had a ride on a CB400 Four that
TOG was flogging a while ago. As stated elsewhere it was too small but I
found it a nice little bike to ride. Probably the oldest bike I've ever
ridden but involving and sprightly all the same. Even from my numpty
viewpoint I'd rather have the old Honda than a new ER5.
--
Paul C - "the big camp bastard" (tm d.a.r.s.y)
VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS
BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09
Admits to working for London Underground!

[Lozzo]

sweller says...
> Lozzo wrote:
>
> > > How much is a new ER-5, GS 500 or similar? How does it stack up as a
> > > brand new bike against stuff like that?
> >
> > The ER5 would be worth half what you pad for it in a couple of years
> > and not give the same amount of pleasure to an enthusiast.
>
> I know that. What I wondered is how they actually compare against each
> other in terms of handling and performance; allowing for the power
> differential.
>
> What's the initial purchase cost of an ER-5?

£3690

--
Lozzo
ZX-9R
In cunnis confidimus

[Frinton Boy]

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:55:29 +0000,
chateauSPAMKILL.murray@dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman)
wrote:

>Ben Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net> wrote:
>
>> Second one down in the Honda section.
>>
>> http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/_thebikeshop.htm
>
>
>ISTR seeing that advertised somewhere else, a while back, for rather
>less money.
>
>Well, if am absolutely concours early Z1 or CB750 is worth eight grand
>upwards (and they are), then......
>
>......*maybe*
>
>Something like a museum in Japan might reckon it worth having - quite a
>few 400 Fours have been heading back to Japan in recent years. Hell,
>those brand new 400 Four carbs I sold went to Japan for well over 300
>quid.


Well I suppose if you break it down and work out the
potential value for all the individual components, it would
not take long to get to 5 grand.

Nick

[Eiron]

Lozzo wrote:

> sweller says...
>
>>Lozzo wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>How much is a new ER-5, GS 500 or similar? How does it stack up as a
>>>>brand new bike against stuff like that?
>>>
>>>The ER5 would be worth half what you pad for it in a couple of years
>>>and not give the same amount of pleasure to an enthusiast.
>>
>>I know that. What I wondered is how they actually compare against each
>>other in terms of handling and performance; allowing for the power
>>differential.
>>
>>What's the initial purchase cost of an ER-5?
>
>
> £3690

A 400 Four is £649 according to the review in Bike, July 1975,
which I found in a charity shop this afternoon.

--
Eiron.

[The Older Gentleman]

Frinton Boy <nospamthanks_frinton_boy@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:55:29 +0000,
> chateauSPAMKILL.murray@dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman)
> wrote:
>
> >Ben Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Second one down in the Honda section.
> >>
> >> http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/_thebikeshop.htm
> >
> >
> >ISTR seeing that advertised somewhere else, a while back, for rather
> >less money.
> >
> >Well, if am absolutely concours early Z1 or CB750 is worth eight grand
> >upwards (and they are), then......
> >
> >......*maybe*
> >
> >Something like a museum in Japan might reckon it worth having - quite a
> >few 400 Fours have been heading back to Japan in recent years. Hell,
> >those brand new 400 Four carbs I sold went to Japan for well over 300
> >quid.
>
>
> Well I suppose if you break it down and work out the
> potential value for all the individual components, it would
> not take long to get to 5 grand.
>

ISTR that if you built vehicles entirely from spare parts, it would cost
you between seven and nine times their new price. I also STR that this
has been a pretty constant yardstick for many years.



--
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GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....

[The Older Gentleman]

sweller <ng@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Lozzo wrote:
>
> > > How much is a new ER-5, GS 500 or similar? How does it stack up as a
> > > brand new bike against stuff like that?
> >
> > The ER5 would be worth half what you pad for it in a couple of years
> > and not give the same amount of pleasure to an enthusiast.
>
> I know that. What I wondered is how they actually compare against each
> other in terms of handling and performance; allowing for the power
> differential.
>
> What's the initial purchase cost of an ER-5?


Discounted to under 3k now.

The 400 Four is a classic piece of mechanical automotive art. The ER5 is
a consumer durable.


--
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GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....

[The Older Gentleman]

Loz H <m3lsd@NOdsl.pipSPAMex.com> wrote:

> Paul Corfield <aooy65@dsl.pipex.com> spewed forth the following...
>
>
> > I'm almost half tempted except TOG would only make rude remarks about
> > me being far too fat to ride with any sense of style.
> >
>
> Which is why I`ve got a 550/Four. Lovingly designed with the more
> comfortably padded in mind.


Agreed. The 550 is, dispassionately, a better bike in almost every
aspect.

But it ain't got soul.


--
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GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....

[Sean]

The Older Gentleman wrote:

> sweller <ng@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Lozzo wrote:
>>
>> > > How much is a new ER-5, GS 500 or similar? How does it stack up as a
>> > > brand new bike against stuff like that?
>> >
>> > The ER5 would be worth half what you pad for it in a couple of years
>> > and not give the same amount of pleasure to an enthusiast.
>>
>> I know that. What I wondered is how they actually compare against each
>> other in terms of handling and performance; allowing for the power
>> differential.
>>
>> What's the initial purchase cost of an ER-5?
>
>
> Discounted to under 3k now.
>
> The 400 Four is a classic piece of mechanical automotive art. The ER5 is
> a consumer durable.
>
>

Can I venture a correction on your last sentence please.

The 400 Four is a classic piece of mechanical automotive art. The ER5 is
a soulless consumer item.

I have no urge to polish my ER. I maintain it in accordance with the
schedule set out by Kawasaki and jetwash it every now and then. It is a
machine I use to do my job. It is a tool, a machine, no more, no less.

I do not disagree with your penultimate sentence though.

[SpamTrapSeeSig]

In article <MPG.1c4a4efa82e57c0b989877@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
<lozzo@speedyspic.co.uk> writes

>> What's the initial purchase cost of an ER-5?
>
>£3690

??? !

I looked at one as a commute hack about four years ago. I'm sure they
were only about 2500 then.

Has the price shot up or am I getting old faster than I thought?

Regards,

Simonm.

--
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[sweller]

The Older Gentleman wrote:

> The 400 Four is a classic piece of mechanical automotive art. The ER5 is
> a consumer durable.

The point I was going to make (but forgot to) was the CB would be good
value for money at £5k compared to an ER-5. Simply because they are both
comparable machines at a comparable price.

They're not and so I wont.

--
Simon

http://www.sweller.co.uk/sob/

[The Older Gentleman]

sweller <ng@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
> > The 400 Four is a classic piece of mechanical automotive art. The ER5 is
> > a consumer durable.
>
> The point I was going to make (but forgot to) was the CB would be good
> value for money at £5k compared to an ER-5. Simply because they are both
> comparable machines at a comparable price.
>
> They're not and so I wont.


Indeed. Especially on price.


--
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GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....

[SP]

The Older Gentleman wrote:

> Frinton Boy <nospamthanks_frinton_boy@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:55:29 +0000,
> > chateauSPAMKILL.murray@dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Ben Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Second one down in the Honda section.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/_thebikeshop.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > ISTR seeing that advertised somewhere else, a while back, for
> > > rather less money.
> > >
> > > Well, if am absolutely concours early Z1 or CB750 is worth eight
> > > grand upwards (and they are), then......
> > >
> > > ......*maybe*
> > >
> > > Something like a museum in Japan might reckon it worth having -
> > > quite a few 400 Fours have been heading back to Japan in recent
> > > years. Hell, those brand new 400 Four carbs I sold went to Japan
> > > for well over 300 quid.
> >
> >
> > Well I suppose if you break it down and work out the
> > potential value for all the individual components, it would
> > not take long to get to 5 grand.
> >
>
> ISTR that if you built vehicles entirely from spare parts, it would
> cost you between seven and nine times their new price. I also STR
> that this has been a pretty constant yardstick for many years.

That was one of Kawasakis selling points in years gone by, adverts in
the bike mags telling you how much a model cost to buy as new, then how
much it would cost to buy then (in the 80's), ergo trying to tell you
that it was a good idea to buy a kwak as opposed to a Honda because the
kwaks were a better value of bike to buy from new.

IE - buy a 750/four for ?400 (these figures won't reflect the real
price at the time, obviously, because they are off the top of me 'ed)
and keep it. Keep it and it appreciates in value (strange, never
worked with any of my kwaks, but there y'go) but if you wanted to buy
the 750/4 and build it from new yourself in bits as opposed to being
OTR the cost would be 3 times as much, because the quality from
Kawasaki was supposed to be that good.

Wasn't the ad featured in Motorcyle Mechanics?

--
Lesley
CBR600FW
SBS#11 (with oak-leaf cluster)
BOTAFOT#101A UKRMHRC#12
BONY#54P BOB#18
Real burds don't take hormones, they rage naturally

[The Older Gentleman]

SP <Lesley@scorbydax.co.uk> wrote:

> Wasn't the ad featured in Motorcyle Mechanics?


Yes, and elsewhere

"Before you buy a new one, look at the cost of an old one"


--
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GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....

[Eiron]

The Older Gentleman wrote:

> SP <Lesley@scorbydax.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>Wasn't the ad featured in Motorcyle Mechanics?
>
>
>
> Yes, and elsewhere
>
> "Before you buy a new one, look at the cost of an old one"

"Before you buy a new one, consider our rip-off spares pricing policy."

--
Eiron.

[The Older Gentleman]

Eiron <e1ron@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
> > SP <Lesley@scorbydax.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Wasn't the ad featured in Motorcyle Mechanics?
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and elsewhere
> >
> > "Before you buy a new one, look at the cost of an old one"
>
> "Before you buy a new one, consider our rip-off spares pricing policy."


Heh.

Actually, all things considered[1], I'm amazed that the Japs' spares
back-up is as good as mit is.


[1] Hundreds of models, and parts for most things you'd normally need
available, for bikes up to 30 years old.


--
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GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....

[Simon Atkinson]

The Older Gentleman wrote:

> Actually, all things considered[1], I'm amazed that the Japs' spares
> back-up is as good as mit is.
>
>
> [1] Hundreds of models, and parts for most things you'd normally need
> available, for bikes up to 30 years old.

Absolutely. Especially compared to (say) Land-Rover - everyone thinks
that Land-Rover must be brilliant for spares as there are so many old
ones on the road - Land-Rover even ran a series of ads proclaiming that
something like 75% off all Land-Rovers ever built are still running.

However it's got **** all to do with Land-Rover - their dealers ONLY
seem to keep spares for the current models these days - you turn up
with a classic range rover and they will laugh you off the forecourt.
It's only due to the third party engineering and spares companies that
they are still going.

The Japanese bike dealers seem to have no problem in either keeping
spares for obsolete bikes, or at least ordering them for fairly quick
delivery (Suzuki excepted here as they took 4 weks to get a set of
discs for my month old Hayabusa).

Obviously, some parts do eventually fall off the end of the support
ladder, but it's still impressive.

[Bear]

In article <xn0dx33if1bizy000@news.individual.net>, Simon Atkinson
says...

> The Japanese bike dealers seem to have no problem in either keeping
> spares for obsolete bikes, or at least ordering them for fairly quick
> delivery (Suzuki excepted here as they took 4 weks to get a set of
> discs for my month old Hayabusa).

The Japs always been a bit dodgy for that though, haven't they?

Spares for new bikes, I mean. Understandable really ... I mean you
wouldn't expect discs to fail after just a month, eh?

> Obviously, some parts do eventually fall off the end of the support
> ladder, but it's still impressive.

Indeedy. I'm trying to recall the donkey-buggeringly large number I was
told once as to the number of individual spares at Honda's Ghent depot
.... can't recall now but it was a vast number.
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

[The Older Gentleman]

Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <xn0dx33if1bizy000@news.individual.net>, Simon Atkinson
> says...
>
> > The Japanese bike dealers seem to have no problem in either keeping
> > spares for obsolete bikes, or at least ordering them for fairly quick
> > delivery (Suzuki excepted here as they took 4 weks to get a set of
> > discs for my month old Hayabusa).
>
> The Japs always been a bit dodgy for that though, haven't they?
>
> Spares for new bikes, I mean. Understandable really ... I mean you
> wouldn't expect discs to fail after just a month, eh?
>

The Japs have a general policy - they bring in the "usual" spares with
the first examples of new model X, because they *know* some wazzock will
bin it within 24 hours of it going on sale.

Thus plastics, levers, most crash parts, etc are usually available
swiftly. Stuff that might not be wanted for some time - yes, lower
priority.


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GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....

[Paul - xxx]

Simon Atkinson composed the following;:
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
>> Actually, all things considered[1], I'm amazed that the Japs' spares
>> back-up is as good as mit is.
>>
>>
>> [1] Hundreds of models, and parts for most things you'd normally need
>> available, for bikes up to 30 years old.
>
> Absolutely. Especially compared to (say) Land-Rover - everyone thinks
> that Land-Rover must be brilliant for spares as there are so many old
> ones on the road - Land-Rover even ran a series of ads proclaiming
> that something like 75% off all Land-Rovers ever built are still
> running.
>
> However it's got **** all to do with Land-Rover - their dealers ONLY
> seem to keep spares for the current models these days - you turn up
> with a classic range rover and they will laugh you off the forecourt.
> It's only due to the third party engineering and spares companies that
> they are still going.

That makes my '97 Discovery a ****ing classic then ... They didn't have
a nearside mirror when I needed one. Indeed they didn't even know that
some Discoveries didn't come with electric windows. If mine had electric
windows I'd have eben OK (at £110 for a mirror) but as it was a 'manual'
mirror it cost £30 but had to be ordered, then back-ordered, then said
**** it and got it within 2 days from Paddocks/Craddocks, can't remember
which, for same price.

> The Japanese bike dealers seem to have no problem in either keeping
> spares for obsolete bikes, or at least ordering them for fairly quick
> delivery (Suzuki excepted here as they took 4 weks to get a set of
> discs for my month old Hayabusa).
>
> Obviously, some parts do eventually fall off the end of the support
> ladder, but it's still impressive.

I have trouble getting bits for my Beamish Suzuki.

--
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http://www.4x4prejudice.org/index.php
(8(!) Homer Rules ... ;)
"A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using."

[Simon Atkinson]

The Older Gentleman wrote:

> Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <xn0dx33if1bizy000@news.individual.net>, Simon Atkinson
> > says...
> >
> > > The Japanese bike dealers seem to have no problem in either
> > > keeping spares for obsolete bikes, or at least ordering them for
> > > fairly quick delivery (Suzuki excepted here as they took 4 weks
> > > to get a set of discs for my month old Hayabusa).
> >
> > The Japs always been a bit dodgy for that though, haven't they?
> >
> > Spares for new bikes, I mean. Understandable really ... I mean you
> > wouldn't expect discs to fail after just a month, eh?
> >
>
> The Japs have a general policy - they bring in the "usual" spares with
> the first examples of new model X, because they know some wazzock will
> bin it within 24 hours of it going on sale.
>
> Thus plastics, levers, most crash parts, etc are usually available
> swiftly. Stuff that might not be wanted for some time - yes, lower
> priority.

So, you reckon that Mr Suzuki didn't realise he'd made the front discs
out of melon rind?

[Simon Atkinson]

Paul - xxx wrote:

> Simon Atkinson composed the following;:
> > The Older Gentleman wrote:
> >
> >> Actually, all things considered[1], I'm amazed that the Japs'
> spares >> back-up is as good as mit is.
> > >
> > >
> >> [1] Hundreds of models, and parts for most things you'd normally
> need >> available, for bikes up to 30 years old.
> >
> > Absolutely. Especially compared to (say) Land-Rover - everyone
> > thinks that Land-Rover must be brilliant for spares as there are so
> > many old ones on the road - Land-Rover even ran a series of ads
> > proclaiming that something like 75% off all Land-Rovers ever built
> > are still running.
> >
> > However it's got **** all to do with Land-Rover - their dealers ONLY
> > seem to keep spares for the current models these days - you turn up
> > with a classic range rover and they will laugh you off the
> > forecourt. It's only due to the third party engineering and spares
> > companies that they are still going.
>
> That makes my '97 Discovery a ****ing classic then ... They didn't
> have a nearside mirror when I needed one. Indeed they didn't even
> know that some Discoveries didn't come with electric windows. If mine
> had electric windows I'd have eben OK (at £110 for a mirror) but as
> it was a 'manual' mirror it cost £30 but had to be ordered, then
> back-ordered, then said **** it and got it within 2 days from
> Paddocks/Craddocks, can't remember which, for same price.

In 99 they didn't want to know about my 95 Discovery, other than to
make a few comments about it being a venerable old girl (that nearly
cost the salesman who made the comments his front teeth).

They mamanged to diagnose a worngly located cambelt (fitted by them) as
a ticking vacuum pump and wanted 400 quid (and a two week wait) for one.

> > The Japanese bike dealers seem to have no problem in either keeping
> > spares for obsolete bikes, or at least ordering them for fairly
> > quick delivery (Suzuki excepted here as they took 4 weks to get a
> > set of discs for my month old Hayabusa).
> >
> > Obviously, some parts do eventually fall off the end of the support
> > ladder, but it's still impressive.
>
> I have trouble getting bits for my Beamish Suzuki.

Is it only a bit beam-like?

[Muck]

Simon Atkinson wrote:
<snip>
>
> In 99 they didn't want to know about my 95 Discovery, other than to
> make a few comments about it being a venerable old girl (that nearly
> cost the salesman who made the comments his front teeth).
>

If you're not going in to buy a new Landy, then you can piss off. That's
the attitude I got from the Land rover main dealer I went into to get
bits for my SIII.

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[Simon Atkinson]

Muck wrote:

> Simon Atkinson wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > In 99 they didn't want to know about my 95 Discovery, other than to
> > make a few comments about it being a venerable old girl (that nearly
> > cost the salesman who made the comments his front teeth).
> >
>
> If you're not going in to buy a new Landy, then you can piss off.
> That's the attitude I got from the Land rover main dealer I went into
> to get bits for my SIII.

I think you have just cut and paste their mission statement. It's only
worth going in to have a laugh.

[Austin Shackles]

On or around Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:48:18 +0000, "Simon Atkinson"
<me9@privacy.net> enlightened us thusly:

>In 99 they didn't want to know about my 95 Discovery, other than to
>make a few comments about it being a venerable old girl (that nearly
>cost the salesman who made the comments his front teeth).
>
>They mamanged to diagnose a worngly located cambelt (fitted by them) as
>a ticking vacuum pump and wanted 400 quid (and a two week wait) for one.
>

some dealers are worth knowing, some are arseholes.

the vacuum pump, BTW, is about 110 quid and takes all of 15 minutes to fit
with even a moderately well equipped workshop.


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[Lozzo]

Bear says...
> In article <xn0dx33if1bizy000@news.individual.net>, Simon Atkinson
> says...

> > Obviously, some parts do eventually fall off the end of the support
> > ladder, but it's still impressive.
>
> Indeedy. I'm trying to recall the donkey-buggeringly large number I was
> told once as to the number of individual spares at Honda's Ghent depot
> ... can't recall now but it was a vast number.

I've visited Honda Europe in Ghent many times. Their spares warehousing
is just unbelieveably huge. You cannot imagine the volume of parts they
carry there. We were taken through to see how the then newly installed
spares and accessories supply system was dealt with, as we were a
supplier. They drove us round just one of the car parts warehouses in a
golf buggy, and it took 5 minutes to get from end to end.

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[Bear]

In article <MPG.1c4cdf45599858dc9898b0@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
says...
> Bear says...
> > In article <xn0dx33if1bizy000@news.individual.net>, Simon Atkinson
> > says...
>
> > > Obviously, some parts do eventually fall off the end of the support
> > > ladder, but it's still impressive.
> >
> > Indeedy. I'm trying to recall the donkey-buggeringly large number I was
> > told once as to the number of individual spares at Honda's Ghent depot
> > ... can't recall now but it was a vast number.
>
> I've visited Honda Europe in Ghent many times. Their spares warehousing
> is just unbelieveably huge. You cannot imagine the volume of parts they
> carry there. We were taken through to see how the then newly installed
> spares and accessories supply system was dealt with, as we were a
> supplier. They drove us round just one of the car parts warehouses in a
> golf buggy, and it took 5 minutes to get from end to end.

"Aye ... I used to 'ave a golf buggy like that too ..."
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[The Older Gentleman]

Simon Atkinson <me9@privacy.net> wrote:


> >
> > The Japs have a general policy - they bring in the "usual" spares with
> > the first examples of new model X, because they know some wazzock will
> > bin it within 24 hours of it going on sale.
> >
> > Thus plastics, levers, most crash parts, etc are usually available
> > swiftly. Stuff that might not be wanted for some time - yes, lower
> > priority.
>
> So, you reckon that Mr Suzuki didn't realise he'd made the front discs
> out of melon rind?

Looks that way ;-))


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[Simon Atkinson]

Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:48:18 +0000, "Simon Atkinson"
> <me9@privacy.net> enlightened us thusly:
>
> > In 99 they didn't want to know about my 95 Discovery, other than to
> > make a few comments about it being a venerable old girl (that nearly
> > cost the salesman who made the comments his front teeth).
> >
> > They mamanged to diagnose a worngly located cambelt (fitted by
> > them) as a ticking vacuum pump and wanted 400 quid (and a two week
> > wait) for one.
> >
>
> some dealers are worth knowing, some are arseholes.

True - Land-Rover dealers are famous for their **** customer service if
you're not in the latest shiney toy though.

> the vacuum pump, BTW, is about 110 quid and takes all of 15 minutes
> to fit with even a moderately well equipped workshop.

I know all that - I also know (and knew at the time) that the
tick-tick-tick was because they had fitted the cambelt one tooth out.

[Paul - xxx]

Simon Atkinson composed the following;:
> Paul - xxx wrote:
>
>> Simon Atkinson composed the following;:
>>> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually, all things considered[1], I'm amazed that the Japs'
>> spares >> back-up is as good as mit is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] Hundreds of models, and parts for most things you'd normally
>> need >> available, for bikes up to 30 years old.
>>>
>>> Absolutely. Especially compared to (say) Land-Rover - everyone
>>> thinks that Land-Rover must be brilliant for spares as there are so
>>> many old ones on the road - Land-Rover even ran a series of ads
>>> proclaiming that something like 75% off all Land-Rovers ever built
>>> are still running.
>>>
>>> However it's got **** all to do with Land-Rover - their dealers ONLY
>>> seem to keep spares for the current models these days - you turn up
>>> with a classic range rover and they will laugh you off the
>>> forecourt. It's only due to the third party engineering and spares
>>> companies that they are still going.
>>
>> That makes my '97 Discovery a ****ing classic then ... They didn't
>> have a nearside mirror when I needed one. Indeed they didn't even
>> know that some Discoveries didn't come with electric windows. If mine
>> had electric windows I'd have eben OK (at £110 for a mirror) but as
>> it was a 'manual' mirror it cost £30 but had to be ordered, then
>> back-ordered, then said **** it and got it within 2 days from
>> Paddocks/Craddocks, can't remember which, for same price.
>
> In 99 they didn't want to know about my 95 Discovery, other than to
> make a few comments about it being a venerable old girl (that nearly
> cost the salesman who made the comments his front teeth).
>
> They mamanged to diagnose a worngly located cambelt (fitted by them)
> as a ticking vacuum pump and wanted 400 quid (and a two week wait)
> for one.

Must have been a main dealer, it's Merlin near us, feckin' arseholes
they are ... ;)

I've used RCV in the past, when I haven't had time to DIM, and they have
been great.

>>> The Japanese bike dealers seem to have no problem in either keeping
>>> spares for obsolete bikes, or at least ordering them for fairly
>>> quick delivery (Suzuki excepted here as they took 4 weks to get a
>>> set of discs for my month old Hayabusa).
>>>
>>> Obviously, some parts do eventually fall off the end of the support
>>> ladder, but it's still impressive.
>>
>> I have trouble getting bits for my Beamish Suzuki.
>
> Is it only a bit beam-like?

Heheheh, yeah, more like a girder than just a Beam ... We recently
fitted a new, 'modern' IRC rear tyre on it, it's had cheapie cheap,
crap, slippy, shiny things on before, and the difference is amazing. A
tyre that grips, who'd a thunk it could happen. Trouble is it just
highlights the fact that there's no oil or damping in the shocks, they
just boing boing now .. When I had no grip it wasn't a problem. :)

I must get a tuit and sort them out.

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