Re: Something to remember for next time

[Champ]

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:24:21 -0000, Lozzo <lozzo@speedyspic.co.uk>
wrote:

>When you think you're in 4th gear, you may still be in 3rd.
>
>Another thing to remember is that when you bang your bike down a gear
>and hit the throttle hard for what you think will be a 3rd gear
>overtake, it will point the front wheel at the back screen of the car
>you are now approaching at warp speed 9. This leaves you precious little
>time to throttle off and swing round the back of said car, hook 3rd gear
>again and complete the overtake.
>
>ZX-9Rs pull some monster wheelies off the throttle in 2nd gear :-)

Yersh. A different overtaking technique is required for such
machines. First, get yourself across the white line, *then* crack the
throttle. This gives the, frankly, immensely satisfying experience og
overtaking the car on one wheel. And if it's a bike you're
overtaking, it's even better!
--
Champ

[Nigel Eaton]

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ
<news@champ.org.uk> typed
>On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:24:21 -0000, Lozzo <lozzo@speedyspic.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>When you think you're in 4th gear, you may still be in 3rd.
>>
>>Another thing to remember is that when you bang your bike down a gear
>>and hit the throttle hard for what you think will be a 3rd gear
>>overtake, it will point the front wheel at the back screen of the car
>>you are now approaching at warp speed 9. This leaves you precious little
>>time to throttle off and swing round the back of said car, hook 3rd gear
>>again and complete the overtake.
>>
>>ZX-9Rs pull some monster wheelies off the throttle in 2nd gear :-)
>
>Yersh. A different overtaking technique is required for such
>machines. First, get yourself across the white line, *then* crack the
>throttle. This gives the, frankly, immensely satisfying experience og
>overtaking the car on one wheel. And if it's a bike you're
>overtaking, it's even better!


<thinks back to TOG French trip>

Yes, it must be.

You cunt.

--
Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets

WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41
ZZR1100, Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner",
Honda GL1000K2 (On its hols) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big"

[Lozzo]

Champ says...
> On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:24:21 -0000, Lozzo <lozzo@speedyspic.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >When you think you're in 4th gear, you may still be in 3rd.
> >
> >Another thing to remember is that when you bang your bike down a gear
> >and hit the throttle hard for what you think will be a 3rd gear
> >overtake, it will point the front wheel at the back screen of the car
> >you are now approaching at warp speed 9. This leaves you precious little
> >time to throttle off and swing round the back of said car, hook 3rd gear
> >again and complete the overtake.
> >
> >ZX-9Rs pull some monster wheelies off the throttle in 2nd gear :-)
>
> Yersh. A different overtaking technique is required for such
> machines. First, get yourself across the white line, *then* crack the
> throttle. This gives the, frankly, immensely satisfying experience og
> overtaking the car on one wheel. And if it's a bike you're
> overtaking, it's even better!

Standard practise on a tuned 350LC as well. This one caught me by
surprise because I knew it wouldn't wheelie in 3rd unless I really tried
very hard, but I wasn't in bloody 3rd, was I.

ZZR11s don't wheelie like that, nor do Thunderaces, but I'm not going
back.

--
Lozzo
ZX-9R
In cunnis confidimus

[JackH]

"Lozzo" <lozzo@speedyspic.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c4a5a3d30f4311198987a@news.individual.ne t...

>> >ZX-9Rs pull some monster wheelies off the throttle in 2nd gear :-)

>> Yersh. A different overtaking technique is required for such
>> machines. First, get yourself across the white line, *then* crack the
>> throttle. This gives the, frankly, immensely satisfying experience og
>> overtaking the car on one wheel. And if it's a bike you're
>> overtaking, it's even better!

> Standard practise on a tuned 350LC as well. This one caught me by
> surprise because I knew it wouldn't wheelie in 3rd unless I really tried
> very hard, but I wasn't in bloody 3rd, was I.
>
> ZZR11s don't wheelie like that, nor do Thunderaces, but I'm not going
> back.

The CBR caught me out the other night - kicked it down to second to hoon
past a line of cars, and up it popped - to be fair, I think it hit a bit of
a bump just as it came on cam, so that probably made the difference over the
norm - given I've eaten all the pies, wheelies purely off the throttle tend
to be reserved for first gear only.

--
JackH

[Champ]

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:51:06 +0000, Nigel Eaton
<nigele@rcav8r.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>>ZX-9Rs pull some monster wheelies off the throttle in 2nd gear :-)
>>
>>Yersh. A different overtaking technique is required for such
>>machines. First, get yourself across the white line, *then* crack the
>>throttle. This gives the, frankly, immensely satisfying experience og
>>overtaking the car on one wheel. And if it's a bike you're
>>overtaking, it's even better!

><thinks back to TOG French trip>
>
>Yes, it must be.
>
>You cunt.

<proud> If you didn't insist on perambulating about the countryside
on a collection of comedy motorcycles, you too could experience this.
--
Champ

[Nigel Eaton]

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ
<news@champ.org.uk> typed
>On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:51:06 +0000, Nigel Eaton
><nigele@rcav8r.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>ZX-9Rs pull some monster wheelies off the throttle in 2nd gear :-)
>>>
>>>Yersh. A different overtaking technique is required for such
>>>machines. First, get yourself across the white line, *then* crack the
>>>throttle. This gives the, frankly, immensely satisfying experience og
>>>overtaking the car on one wheel. And if it's a bike you're
>>>overtaking, it's even better!
>
>><thinks back to TOG French trip>
>>
>>Yes, it must be.
>>
>>You cunt.
>
><proud> If you didn't insist on perambulating about the countryside
>on a collection of comedy motorcycles, you too could experience this.

Briefly, I suspect.

"A man has to know his limitations."

--
Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets

WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41
ZZR1100, Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner",
Honda GL1000K2 (On its hols) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big"

[Lozzo]

Bear says...

> > > On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:24:21 -0000, Lozzo <lozzo@speedyspic.co.uk>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >When you think you're in 4th gear, you may still be in 3rd.
> > > >
> > > >Another thing to remember is that when you bang your bike down a gear
> > > >and hit the throttle hard for what you think will be a 3rd gear
> > > >overtake, it will point the front wheel at the back screen of the car
> > > >you are now approaching at warp speed 9.

<snip>

> Mine never did that, and I caned it thoroughly :)

I really didn't think it would loft quite so violently in 2nd, but it
did. I admit I was being thoroughly hamfisted with the throtle control,
but as I thought I'd down changed into 3rd and not 2nd, I reckoned I
could get away with it.

Looking back on it, it really was quite exciting. I haven't had that
kind of experience since I owned the Beckett tuned RD400 in 1981/2.

--
Lozzo
ZX-9R
In cunnis confidimus

[Bear]

In article <MPG.1c4a648d16b8a48c98987b@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
says...
> Bear says...
>
> > > > On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:24:21 -0000, Lozzo <lozzo@speedyspic.co.uk>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >When you think you're in 4th gear, you may still be in 3rd.
> > > > >
> > > > >Another thing to remember is that when you bang your bike down a gear
> > > > >and hit the throttle hard for what you think will be a 3rd gear
> > > > >overtake, it will point the front wheel at the back screen of the car
> > > > >you are now approaching at warp speed 9.
>
> <snip>
>
> > Mine never did that, and I caned it thoroughly :)
>
> I really didn't think it would loft quite so violently in 2nd, but it
> did. I admit I was being thoroughly hamfisted with the throtle control,
> but as I thought I'd down changed into 3rd and not 2nd, I reckoned I
> could get away with it.
>
> Looking back on it, it really was quite exciting. I haven't had that
> kind of experience since I owned the Beckett tuned RD400 in 1981/2.

I still miss my 9R. Top bike, did everything; touring, scratching,
trackdays, the lot ...

.... I'm surprised you haven't blagged a better rear shock for yours yet
.... they don't half like it.
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Marillion "Marbles"

[Champ]

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:44:09 +0000, Nigel Eaton
<nigele@rcav8r.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>>>>ZX-9Rs pull some monster wheelies off the throttle in 2nd gear :-)
>>>>
>>>>Yersh. A different overtaking technique is required for such
>>>>machines. First, get yourself across the white line, *then* crack the
>>>>throttle. This gives the, frankly, immensely satisfying experience og
>>>>overtaking the car on one wheel. And if it's a bike you're
>>>>overtaking, it's even better!
>>
>>><thinks back to TOG French trip>
>>>
>>>Yes, it must be.
>>>
>>>You cunt.
>>
>><proud> If you didn't insist on perambulating about the countryside
>>on a collection of comedy motorcycles, you too could experience this.
>
>Briefly, I suspect.
>
>"A man has to know his limitations."

Maybe. As I've posted many times before, the technique for wheelying
a Gixxer Thou is pretty straightforward:
1. Select 2nd gear
2. Open throttle
3. When wheel has reached desired height, close throttle.
--
Champ

[Lozzo]

Bear says...
> In article <MPG.1c4a6a4cd1db03e298987c@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
> says...
> > Bear says...
>
> > I'm hoping to blag a muchly discounted new Ohlins 46PRCLS in the near
> > future. They are 585 quid retail, but I'm not willing to pay that.
>
> Anything Ohlins is likely to be a million times better than the stock
> shock, even if it's the £585 one, rather than the expensive model ;)

That is the expensive model, the same type you had on your 9R and the
same as the one Bonners has on his. Only one shock is listed for the
1999 model[1] 9R, and that has remote hydraulic preload adjustment,
compression and rebound damping adjustment, ride height adjustment etc
etc.

> > I
> > realised today that I would appreciate a steering damper, it got a bit
> > flappy on more then one occasion today, so I'm keeping an eye on eBay
> > for Ohlins SD121 dampers with whatever fitting kit that they come with.
>
> Let's face it, it'll be a Harris kit :)

Nicely made though. The 9R one at 60 quid comes with a lovely new alloy
screen brace as well. You won't find a genuine Ohlins one anywhere in
this country.

> I didn't like the Dunlops on the R1, as well you know, but then I
> suspect they took longer to warm up/overheat and were thus better suited
> to trackdays and the like.

I loved the 207RRs I ftted to the Thunderace, they really suited the
bike and gave me bags of confidence to throw it around. They never gave
one single moment's concern. I wouldn't want to do a track day on these
normal D207s.

> South of France by 9R. Has to be done :)

I was hoping at some point to ride down to see some family in Malta. I
have a cousin's wedding to attend down there.

[1] Apparently the '99 model C2 shock is different to the '98 C2's. The
Ohlins fork springs have a different part number too. Mmmmm, Ohlins kit,
it's just so addictive.

--
Lozzo
ZX-9R
In cunnis confidimus

[Bear]

In article <MPG.1c4a7934944ff91398987e@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
says...
> Bear says...
> > In article <MPG.1c4a6a4cd1db03e298987c@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
> > says...
> > > Bear says...
> >
> > > I'm hoping to blag a muchly discounted new Ohlins 46PRCLS in the near
> > > future. They are 585 quid retail, but I'm not willing to pay that.
> >
> > Anything Ohlins is likely to be a million times better than the stock
> > shock, even if it's the £585 one, rather than the expensive model ;)
>
> That is the expensive model, the same type you had on your 9R and the
> same as the one Bonners has on his. Only one shock is listed for the
> 1999 model[1] 9R, and that has remote hydraulic preload adjustment,
> compression and rebound damping adjustment, ride height adjustment etc
> etc.

Ah right, cool :)

> > > I
> > > realised today that I would appreciate a steering damper, it got a bit
> > > flappy on more then one occasion today, so I'm keeping an eye on eBay
> > > for Ohlins SD121 dampers with whatever fitting kit that they come with.
> >
> > Let's face it, it'll be a Harris kit :)
>
> Nicely made though. The 9R one at 60 quid comes with a lovely new alloy
> screen brace as well. You won't find a genuine Ohlins one anywhere in
> this country.

No, and we both know why :)

Although it's not true to say there are *none* in the country; IIRC the
bloke at DemonTweeks said that they'd scored 10 "by accident" when the
damper kits first came out ... he reckoned someone at Harris was pissed
or asleep :)

> > I didn't like the Dunlops on the R1, as well you know, but then I
> > suspect they took longer to warm up/overheat and were thus better suited
> > to trackdays and the like.
>
> I loved the 207RRs I ftted to the Thunderace, they really suited the
> bike and gave me bags of confidence to throw it around. They never gave
> one single moment's concern. I wouldn't want to do a track day on these
> normal D207s.

They just felt ... "squirmy" on the R1 ... which ones did I have? GPs?
The sticky ones, at any rate. Didn't like em. Not bad, you understand,
not at all, just not as dependable as the 010s were on the 9R, though
again that could be purely psychological on my part.

> > South of France by 9R. Has to be done :)
>
> I was hoping at some point to ride down to see some family in Malta. I
> have a cousin's wedding to attend down there.

Oh nice.

> [1] Apparently the '99 model C2 shock is different to the '98 C2's. The
> Ohlins fork springs have a different part number too. Mmmmm, Ohlins kit,
> it's just so addictive.

heh, yeah. I knew the E models had a different rear suspension setup
(and rear tyre size too, IIRC), but didn't realise the 98/99 C2s were
different ... I'd ask if you don't mean C1-C2, but it's you, so you'll
be right :)
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Marillion "Marbles"

[Lozzo]

Bear says...
> In article <MPG.1c4a7934944ff91398987e@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
> says...
> > Bear says...

> > I loved the 207RRs I ftted to the Thunderace, they really suited the
> > bike and gave me bags of confidence to throw it around. They never gave
> > one single moment's concern. I wouldn't want to do a track day on these
> > normal D207s.
>
> They just felt ... "squirmy" on the R1 ... which ones did I have? GPs?
> The sticky ones, at any rate. Didn't like em. Not bad, you understand,
> not at all, just not as dependable as the 010s were on the 9R, though
> again that could be purely psychological on my part.

I had 207RRs not GPs, I source them from the guy who supplies the R6 Cup
racers. They were definitely more confidence inspiring than 010s, but as
you point out, that could just be psychological.

As an aside, I fitted D207GPs to my Firestorm on the advice of a mate,
this was after I'd had Maxton revalve my forks as well. The GPs made the
bike so unstable and prone to serious flapping that I took them off
after 350 miles and gave them to a mate with a 7R. Funnily enough, the
same mate who'd recommended them to me after I'd thrown the 500 mile old
standard and ****ing awful D204s at another mate for his 7R. I think he
knew what he was doing, the ****er. I fitted D207RRs to that bike just
as they came out, but it was 6 years ago and I can't remember how they
felt on that. I do remember they didn't last more than 2500 miles a pair
though.

> > > South of France by 9R. Has to be done :)
> >
> > I was hoping at some point to ride down to see some family in Malta. I
> > have a cousin's wedding to attend down there.
>
> Oh nice.

Should be a laugh, my cousins over there are all pissheads and a good
scream to be around.

> > [1] Apparently the '99 model C2 shock is different to the '98 C2's. The
> > Ohlins fork springs have a different part number too. Mmmmm, Ohlins kit,
> > it's just so addictive.
>
> heh, yeah. I knew the E models had a different rear suspension setup
> (and rear tyre size too, IIRC),

Correctamundo, E models take a 190 rear tyre on a slightly wider rim.
The rear shock on the E is shorter because there's a ride height
adjuster built into the frame. Bonner has managed to fit a C2 Ohlins
shock into his E, but the ride height adjuster is set pretty much right
down on the bottom.

> but didn't realise the 98/99 C2s were
> different ... I'd ask if you don't mean C1-C2, but it's you, so you'll
> be right :)

I meant that between the 98 and 99 models, the C2 changed slightly in
the suspension department for some reason. The fork springs are
definitely a different length.

--
Lozzo
ZX-9R
In cunnis confidimus

[Bear]

In article <MPG.1c4b53c235c27cf4989885@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
says...
> Bear says...
> > In article <MPG.1c4a7934944ff91398987e@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
> > says...
> > > Bear says...
>
> > > I loved the 207RRs I ftted to the Thunderace, they really suited the
> > > bike and gave me bags of confidence to throw it around. They never gave
> > > one single moment's concern. I wouldn't want to do a track day on these
> > > normal D207s.
> >
> > They just felt ... "squirmy" on the R1 ... which ones did I have? GPs?
> > The sticky ones, at any rate. Didn't like em. Not bad, you understand,
> > not at all, just not as dependable as the 010s were on the 9R, though
> > again that could be purely psychological on my part.
>
> I had 207RRs not GPs, I source them from the guy who supplies the R6 Cup
> racers. They were definitely more confidence inspiring than 010s, but as
> you point out, that could just be psychological.
>
> As an aside, I fitted D207GPs to my Firestorm on the advice of a mate,
> this was after I'd had Maxton revalve my forks as well. The GPs made the
> bike so unstable and prone to serious flapping that I took them off
> after 350 miles and gave them to a mate with a 7R. Funnily enough, the
> same mate who'd recommended them to me after I'd thrown the 500 mile old
> standard and ****ing awful D204s at another mate for his 7R. I think he
> knew what he was doing, the ****er. I fitted D207RRs to that bike just
> as they came out, but it was 6 years ago and I can't remember how they
> felt on that. I do remember they didn't last more than 2500 miles a pair
> though.

I used to get about 3 thou out of a 010 on the rear of the 9R ... the
Renns lasted slightly longer, but I suspect that was due to most of the
miles on that set being done on the france/italy trip, where they got
most of their upright miles done on nice straight roads (autoroutes or
the like) at a fairly constant speed.

> > > > South of France by 9R. Has to be done :)
> > >
> > > I was hoping at some point to ride down to see some family in Malta. I
> > > have a cousin's wedding to attend down there.
> >
> > Oh nice.
>
> Should be a laugh, my cousins over there are all pissheads and a good
> scream to be around.

Sounds lovely.

> > > [1] Apparently the '99 model C2 shock is different to the '98 C2's. The
> > > Ohlins fork springs have a different part number too. Mmmmm, Ohlins kit,
> > > it's just so addictive.
> >
> > heh, yeah. I knew the E models had a different rear suspension setup
> > (and rear tyre size too, IIRC),
>
> Correctamundo, E models take a 190 rear tyre on a slightly wider rim.

Yep, apparently for cosmetic purposes, as some folk think a big rear
tyre equals a big dick :) IIRC the kawasaki in-house magazine (which
you were subjected to for a year if you bought a new one) published a
piece on the inadvisability of stretching a 190 over the C2's rear wheel
on the grounds it would affect handling. I thought they were wasting
their time because anyone who'll do that just coz it looks bigger
probably isn't that interested in handling anyway :)

Am I right in thinking GP racers use the smaller rear tyre? 180 or 170?

> The rear shock on the E is shorter because there's a ride height
> adjuster built into the frame. Bonner has managed to fit a C2 Ohlins
> shock into his E, but the ride height adjuster is set pretty much right
> down on the bottom.
>
> > but didn't realise the 98/99 C2s were
> > different ... I'd ask if you don't mean C1-C2, but it's you, so you'll
> > be right :)
>
> I meant that between the 98 and 99 models, the C2 changed slightly in
> the suspension department for some reason. The fork springs are
> definitely a different length.

Odd.
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

[Andy Bonwick]

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:44:52 -0000, Lozzo <lozzo@speedyspic.co.uk>
wrote:
snip>
>Correctamundo, E models take a 190 rear tyre on a slightly wider rim.
>The rear shock on the E is shorter because there's a ride height
>adjuster built into the frame. Bonner has managed to fit a C2 Ohlins
>shock into his E, but the ride height adjuster is set pretty much right
>down on the bottom.
>
All I did on mine was check that the standard ride height setting
for an E1 came within the range of the Ohlins shock adjustment and
then set it and fit it. I've since lifted the ride height by about
10mm and it'll be getting more of the same when the sun comes out.
--
Andy Bonwick
ZX9RE1
BOTAFOT#22,BONY#22,MRO#22,IBW#12,UKRMFBC#6,UKRMRM# 4
BOB#7,BOTAFOF#4398723498723.3,Mirtth#30,FTB#2