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Rob Rossall

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Cane" <dont****ingbother@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Rob Rossall" <skydive@rossall21.fslife.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> > Sorry 120/70 ZR17 and 180/55 ZR 17
>
> For what sort of bike and what kind of use?
>
> Regardless of your answer I'm still going to say BT-012s
>
Suzuki GSXR600 they will be used on the road not track and will get some
stick occasionaly.

Colonel Tupperware

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:57:47 -0000, "Rob Rossall"
<skydive@rossall21.fslife.co.uk> wrote:

>Just about ready for a new set of tyres and wanted some help or
>recommendations on a good set of sticky tyres.
>
err, black and round ones.

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Cane

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Rob Rossall" <skydive@rossall21.fslife.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > > Sorry 120/70 ZR17 and 180/55 ZR 17
> >
> > For what sort of bike and what kind of use?
> >
> > Regardless of your answer I'm still going to say BT-012s
> >
> Suzuki GSXR600 they will be used on the road not track and will get
some
> stick occasionaly.

In that case BT-020s

Rob Rossall

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Cane" <dont****ingbother@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Rob Rossall" <skydive@rossall21.fslife.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:crtn9f$6qk$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> > > > Sorry 120/70 ZR17 and 180/55 ZR 17
> > >
> > > For what sort of bike and what kind of use?
> > >
> > > Regardless of your answer I'm still going to say BT-012s
> > >
> > Suzuki GSXR600 they will be used on the road not track and will get
> some
> > stick occasionaly.
>
> In that case BT-020s
>
Any opinions on the Pirelli Diablo Corsa and standard Diablo

Cane

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Rob Rossall" <skydive@rossall21.fslife.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > > > > Sorry 120/70 ZR17 and 180/55 ZR 17
> > > >
> > > > For what sort of bike and what kind of use?
> > > >
> > > > Regardless of your answer I'm still going to say BT-012s
> > > >
> > > Suzuki GSXR600 they will be used on the road not track and will
get
> > some
> > > stick occasionaly.
> >
> > In that case BT-020s
> >
> Any opinions on the Pirelli Diablo Corsa and standard Diablo

Not personally although IIRC a few folk here found them a little tricky
in the wet. Someone who uses them will be along shortly to contradict
me.

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <34fdinF4afa4hU1@individual.net>, Cane says...
> "Rob Rossall" <skydive@rossall21.fslife.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:crtuvq$cfb$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> > > > > > Sorry 120/70 ZR17 and 180/55 ZR 17
> > > > >
> > > > > For what sort of bike and what kind of use?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regardless of your answer I'm still going to say BT-012s
> > > > >
> > > > Suzuki GSXR600 they will be used on the road not track and will
> get
> > > some
> > > > stick occasionaly.
> > >
> > > In that case BT-020s
> > >
> > Any opinions on the Pirelli Diablo Corsa and standard Diablo
>
> Not personally although IIRC a few folk here found them a little tricky
> in the wet. Someone who uses them will be along shortly to contradict
> me.

Used the evo corsas (no idea if that's the same thing) on the 9R in
*pissing* conditions in france [1] and they did pretty well I thought
.... the fact the last inch or 2 of sidewall doesn't have any tread
doesn't really worry because I don't ride to the edge (or anything like
the edge) of tyres in the wet.

[1] that's the most soggy I've ever been, I think
--
Bear
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Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Champ

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:13:18 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Used the evo corsas (no idea if that's the same thing) on the 9R in
>*pissing* conditions in france [1] and they did pretty well I thought
>... the fact the last inch or 2 of sidewall doesn't have any tread
>doesn't really worry because I don't ride to the edge (or anything like
>the edge) of tyres in the wet.
>
>[1] that's the most soggy I've ever been, I think

heh. I've described it as "I couldn't have been wetter if I'd got in
the bath".
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GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
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Cane

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > > > Sorry 120/70 ZR17 and 180/55 ZR 17
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For what sort of bike and what kind of use?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regardless of your answer I'm still going to say BT-012s
> > > > > >
> > > > > Suzuki GSXR600 they will be used on the road not track and
will
> > get
> > > > some
> > > > > stick occasionaly.
> > > >
> > > > In that case BT-020s
> > > >
> > > Any opinions on the Pirelli Diablo Corsa and standard Diablo
> >
> > Not personally although IIRC a few folk here found them a little
tricky
> > in the wet. Someone who uses them will be along shortly to
contradict
> > me.
>
> Used the evo corsas (no idea if that's the same thing) on the 9R in
> *pissing* conditions in france [1] and they did pretty well I thought
> ... the fact the last inch or 2 of sidewall doesn't have any tread
> doesn't really worry because I don't ride to the edge (or anything
like
> the edge) of tyres in the wet.

Likewise. I think the only cure for me would be a very wet track day on
someone else's bike.

Champ

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:50:11 -0000, "Cane"
<dont****ingbother@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Used the evo corsas (no idea if that's the same thing) on the 9R in
>> *pissing* conditions in france [1] and they did pretty well I thought
>> ... the fact the last inch or 2 of sidewall doesn't have any tread
>> doesn't really worry because I don't ride to the edge (or anything like
>> the edge) of tyres in the wet.
>
>Likewise. I think the only cure for me would be a very wet track day on
>someone else's bike.

I you ever get the chance, get a go on full racing wets on a wet
track. A completely mind blowing experience.
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Please add "imo" to above post.
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

TimP

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Cane wrote:
> "Rob Rossall" <skydive@rossall21.fslife.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:crtuvq$cfb$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...

> > Any opinions on the Pirelli Diablo Corsa and standard Diablo
>

Got 'em (standard Diablos), fantastic in comparison with the OE D207s
on my CBR6.[1] Seem to turn in much more predictably, and also better
around town as they don't tramline over white lines and overbanding
etc.

> Not personally although IIRC a few folk here found them a little
tricky
> in the wet. Someone who uses them will be along shortly to contradict
> me.

I've not had any problems in the wet, but then again I've only got a
year's experience on these and the D207s. The crap that's spread across
the roads behind the King's Cross construction site is another matter -
I'm not sure how they reduce the friction _that_ much - but the ensuing
slow-speed sliding about can be quite good fun.

TimP

[1] they were quite squared-off though, so were bound to feel ****e.
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darsy

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

TimP wrote:

> The crap that's spread across
> the roads behind the King's Cross construction site is another matter

it's hilarious around there in the wet. I remember a couple of years
ago, heading up York Way, pretty much wheelspinning and fish-tailing
about 1/2 a mile, laughing like a cretin the whole way.

--
d.

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <rq45u0lbnpj5jsvjs7d8a9d4i2hubsb14c@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:13:18 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Used the evo corsas (no idea if that's the same thing) on the 9R in
> >*pissing* conditions in france [1] and they did pretty well I thought
> >... the fact the last inch or 2 of sidewall doesn't have any tread
> >doesn't really worry because I don't ride to the edge (or anything like
> >the edge) of tyres in the wet.
> >
> >[1] that's the most soggy I've ever been, I think
>
> heh. I've described it as "I couldn't have been wetter if I'd got in
> the bath".

I've just transposed that bit to DVD [1] ... the bow wave you're leaving
at certain points is a *hoot* ... my commentary is mostly giggles and
guffaws. Proof wet weather riding can be huge fun.

And a big "thank you" to Renee for drying our leathers in the boiler
room :)

[1] I've got most of the tapes transferred now. Best are that one in the
wet, plus the "breakfast in Italy" and "Tende/Menton/Sospel" ones that
preceded it that day, although the Col de Bonnette (sp?) one has some
lovely scenery
--
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Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <e965u09m4jpcucqrk5itv7tk59d8r2k7hc@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:50:11 -0000, "Cane"
> <dont****ingbother@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Used the evo corsas (no idea if that's the same thing) on the 9R in
> >> *pissing* conditions in france [1] and they did pretty well I thought
> >> ... the fact the last inch or 2 of sidewall doesn't have any tread
> >> doesn't really worry because I don't ride to the edge (or anything like
> >> the edge) of tyres in the wet.
> >
> >Likewise. I think the only cure for me would be a very wet track day on
> >someone else's bike.
>
> I you ever get the chance, get a go on full racing wets on a wet
> track. A completely mind blowing experience.

Yeah I'd love to give that a go ... supposedly excellent fun.
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Champ

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:30:55 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <e965u09m4jpcucqrk5itv7tk59d8r2k7hc@4ax.com>, Champ says...
>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:50:11 -0000, "Cane"
>> <dont****ingbother@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Used the evo corsas (no idea if that's the same thing) on the 9R in
>> >> *pissing* conditions in france [1] and they did pretty well I thought
>> >> ... the fact the last inch or 2 of sidewall doesn't have any tread
>> >> doesn't really worry because I don't ride to the edge (or anything like
>> >> the edge) of tyres in the wet.
>> >
>> >Likewise. I think the only cure for me would be a very wet track day on
>> >someone else's bike.
>>
>> I you ever get the chance, get a go on full racing wets on a wet
>> track. A completely mind blowing experience.
>
>Yeah I'd love to give that a go ... supposedly excellent fun.

Oh it is. There's still less outright grip than in the dry, but
waaaaaay more than you're used to in the wet, so for the first few
laps your head is silly saying "Hang on, I can't possibly lean over
this far in the rain".

Unfortunately, like everything [1], you soon get used to it.

[1] "the human condition"
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Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

Veggie Dave

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Colonel Tupperware <big.russ@tesco.net> wrote the following literary
masterpiece:
>err, black and round ones.

Not necessarily

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Ben Blaney

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Bear wrote:

>I've just transposed that bit to DVD [1]

The DVD will be hitting the shops soon, will it?

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Gavsta

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Rob Rossall wrote:
> Just about ready for a new set of tyres and wanted some help or
> recommendations on a good set of sticky tyres.
>
> cheers,
>
> Rob.

Diablo Corsa. YKIMS.

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sweller

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Ben Blaney wrote:

> > I've just transposed that bit to DVD [1]
>
> The DVD will be hitting the shops soon, will it?

Or, at the very least, some form of distribution?

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Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <xn0dx3hrc1g4m7001@news.individual.net>, sweller says...
> Ben Blaney wrote:
>
> > > I've just transposed that bit to DVD [1]
> >
> > The DVD will be hitting the shops soon, will it?
>
> Or, at the very least, some form of distribution?

Well obviously Bile Boi was just having a pop (and thanks a bundle for
ensuring I have to read his ****e), but to answer your question, it's
not the sort of thing I would have thought people would be interested in
.... it's not a stunt vid, just folks going fairly quickly [1] [2] down
some nice roads. I like it, coz I was there, but I doubt very much if
anyone else would be interested.

[1] one interesting thing; Champ doesn't push as hard abroad as he does
at home; IIRC we discussed this and decided it was the major hassle of
having one's bike carted home in carrier bags from foreign parts [3]
[2] the pouring rain section is fairly slow, but considering the
conditions and roads (narrow, rivers in the road, terrible surface, 100m
drop off if you get it wrong) I doubt anyone else would have been going
much faster
[3] there's no-one else I'd rather ride with, though; it's perfectly
possible, once you know his riding style, to know *exactly* what's
coming up, purely by his body language and occasional hand signals
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"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

sweller

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Bear wrote:

> it's not the sort of thing I would have thought people would be
> interested in ... it's not a stunt vid, just folks going fairly
> quickly [1] [2] down some nice roads.

The obvious "if it's not interesting why keep mentioning it" aside I
thought the plan was to show the footage off. So others could enjoy the
fast well ridden machines in outstanding countryside.

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Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <xn0dx3ii12irxm004@news.individual.net>, sweller says...
> Bear wrote:
>
> > it's not the sort of thing I would have thought people would be
> > interested in ... it's not a stunt vid, just folks going fairly
> > quickly [1] [2] down some nice roads.
>
> The obvious "if it's not interesting why keep mentioning it" aside I
> thought the plan was to show the footage off. So others could enjoy the
> fast well ridden machines in outstanding countryside.

I'm wasn't aware I "keep" mentioning it, but I'll ensure I do not
mention it again, and given the way some ukrm'ers are behaving these
days, all that would happen if I charged money for it is some twat would
whinge there wasn't enough action. Or, more accurately, one twat would
email another twat and get him to do it for him.

It's simply not worth the hassle IMHO. Too many vermin around these
days.

Feel free to pop in if ever you're up this way and you can make your own
mind up.
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Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

sweller

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Bear wrote:

> It's simply not worth the hassle IMHO. Too many vermin around these
> days.

IMO "vermin" isn't really appropriate. Not that it matters.

> Feel free to pop in if ever you're up this way and you can make your
> own mind up.

Cheers.

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Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <xn0dx3moq363ra001@news.individual.net>, sweller says...
> Bear wrote:
>
> > It's simply not worth the hassle IMHO. Too many vermin around these
> > days.
>
> IMO "vermin" isn't really appropriate. Not that it matters.

heh. Drop in, I'll show you a few emails. You can decide.
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Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Ben Blaney

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Bear wrote:

>In article <xn0dx3hrc1g4m7001@news.individual.net>, sweller says...
>> Ben Blaney wrote:
>>
>> > > I've just transposed that bit to DVD [1]
>> >
>> > The DVD will be hitting the shops soon, will it?
>>
>> Or, at the very least, some form of distribution?
>
>Well obviously Bile Boi was just having a pop

You built it up, just as you built up everything which is now used as
a pisstake.

You dish it out, but you can't take it.

--
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Ben Blaney

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Bear wrote:

>In article <xn0dx3moq363ra001@news.individual.net>, sweller says...
>> Bear wrote:
>>
>> > It's simply not worth the hassle IMHO. Too many vermin around these
>> > days.
>>
>> IMO "vermin" isn't really appropriate. Not that it matters.
>
>heh. Drop in, I'll show you a few emails. You can decide.

Oh, one rule for you and one rule for others, eh?

--
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Andy Wegg

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Champ" muttered
> Oh it is. There's still less outright grip than in the dry, but
> waaaaaay more than you're used to in the wet, so for the first few
> laps your head is silly saying "Hang on, I can't possibly lean over
> this far in the rain".

I did a track day on my old ZXR400 in October a few years back, at
Cadwell on the Mountain circuit in *torrential* conditions. For a large
part of the morning, the track was closed as the earth/mud being washed
across the track was making things just too hazardous.

Obviously we all teetered out being very nervous, but like you say,
before long I was howling along having a ball. I came in after one
session, concerned as the front wheel seemed to be gently "nodding",
particularly on the left right into the mountain. Though maybe I had a
slightly deflatd tyre or something but one of the guys running the day
said it was the sensation you get as the wheel begins to reach the edge
of gripping...

And on the way home, about 5 miles down the A15, the sun broke out and
it was like it had been sunny all day. Bastard Cadwell microclimate.
But it sure was a grin.

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Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <n495u0d181t47jtaf1trr633dq0sf2nohh@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:30:55 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> wrote:

> >Yeah I'd love to give that a go ... supposedly excellent fun.
>
> Oh it is. There's still less outright grip than in the dry, but
> waaaaaay more than you're used to in the wet, so for the first few
> laps your head is silly saying "Hang on, I can't possibly lean over
> this far in the rain".

Ok, here's a question; why don't road tyres grip like that? Presumably
race wets heat up and retain heat much more easily, coz I can't believe
pure stickiness would work in the wet? So how long would race wets last
on the road and why haven't they come up with something close for road
use?
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Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

flash

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c4de614bd1e2922989a5e@News.individual.ne t...
> In article <n495u0d181t47jtaf1trr633dq0sf2nohh@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:30:55 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Yeah I'd love to give that a go ... supposedly excellent fun.
> >
> > Oh it is. There's still less outright grip than in the dry, but
> > waaaaaay more than you're used to in the wet, so for the first few
> > laps your head is silly saying "Hang on, I can't possibly lean over
> > this far in the rain".
>
> Ok, here's a question; why don't road tyres grip like that? Presumably
> race wets heat up and retain heat much more easily, coz I can't believe
> pure stickiness would work in the wet? So how long would race wets last
> on the road and why haven't they come up with something close for road
> use?

http://www.motorbikestoday.com/features/Articles/avon_wets.htm

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <34i341F48deuaU1@individual.net>, flash says...
>
> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1c4de614bd1e2922989a5e@News.individual.ne t...
> > In article <n495u0d181t47jtaf1trr633dq0sf2nohh@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:30:55 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > >Yeah I'd love to give that a go ... supposedly excellent fun.
> > >
> > > Oh it is. There's still less outright grip than in the dry, but
> > > waaaaaay more than you're used to in the wet, so for the first few
> > > laps your head is silly saying "Hang on, I can't possibly lean over
> > > this far in the rain".
> >
> > Ok, here's a question; why don't road tyres grip like that? Presumably
> > race wets heat up and retain heat much more easily, coz I can't believe
> > pure stickiness would work in the wet? So how long would race wets last
> > on the road and why haven't they come up with something close for road
> > use?
>
> http://www.motorbikestoday.com/features/Articles/avon_wets.htm

Very interesting, cheers.

I'm guessing, but would a bigger, heavier, more powerful bike not chew
them to bits much, much faster? If they're lasting a projected 2-3K
miles on a ZXR400, something like an R1 would presumably rip them to
shreds in short order?

<thinks>

So all new litrebikes should come with a spare set of wheels, for all
occasions :)
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Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

flash

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c4deda8ae9924ec989a66@News.individual.ne t...
> In article <34i341F48deuaU1@individual.net>, flash says...
> >
> > "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1c4de614bd1e2922989a5e@News.individual.ne t...
> > > In article <n495u0d181t47jtaf1trr633dq0sf2nohh@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> > > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:30:55 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > >Yeah I'd love to give that a go ... supposedly excellent fun.
> > > >
> > > > Oh it is. There's still less outright grip than in the dry, but
> > > > waaaaaay more than you're used to in the wet, so for the first few
> > > > laps your head is silly saying "Hang on, I can't possibly lean over
> > > > this far in the rain".
> > >
> > > Ok, here's a question; why don't road tyres grip like that? Presumably
> > > race wets heat up and retain heat much more easily, coz I can't
believe
> > > pure stickiness would work in the wet? So how long would race wets
last
> > > on the road and why haven't they come up with something close for road
> > > use?
> >
> > http://www.motorbikestoday.com/features/Articles/avon_wets.htm
>
> Very interesting, cheers.
>
> I'm guessing, but would a bigger, heavier, more powerful bike not chew
> them to bits much, much faster? If they're lasting a projected 2-3K
> miles on a ZXR400, something like an R1 would presumably rip them to
> shreds in short order?
>
They would if you used them in the dry all the time but they might last a
winter. Especially if you took the car every time it was raining.

"Looks like its going to be a nice day sunny day dear so I'm taking the car
to work".

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <34i5bhF48kakhU1@individual.net>, flash says...
>
> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1c4deda8ae9924ec989a66@News.individual.ne t...
> > In article <34i341F48deuaU1@individual.net>, flash says...
> > >
> > > "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.1c4de614bd1e2922989a5e@News.individual.ne t...
> > > > In article <n495u0d181t47jtaf1trr633dq0sf2nohh@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> > > > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:30:55 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >Yeah I'd love to give that a go ... supposedly excellent fun.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh it is. There's still less outright grip than in the dry, but
> > > > > waaaaaay more than you're used to in the wet, so for the first few
> > > > > laps your head is silly saying "Hang on, I can't possibly lean over
> > > > > this far in the rain".
> > > >
> > > > Ok, here's a question; why don't road tyres grip like that? Presumably
> > > > race wets heat up and retain heat much more easily, coz I can't
> believe
> > > > pure stickiness would work in the wet? So how long would race wets
> last
> > > > on the road and why haven't they come up with something close for road
> > > > use?
> > >
> > > http://www.motorbikestoday.com/features/Articles/avon_wets.htm
> >
> > Very interesting, cheers.
> >
> > I'm guessing, but would a bigger, heavier, more powerful bike not chew
> > them to bits much, much faster? If they're lasting a projected 2-3K
> > miles on a ZXR400, something like an R1 would presumably rip them to
> > shreds in short order?
> >
> They would if you used them in the dry all the time but they might last a
> winter. Especially if you took the car every time it was raining.

It's got to be worth some loon trying this ... near-dry weather handling
all winter long ... could be a hoot.

> "Looks like its going to be a nice day sunny day dear so I'm taking the car
> to work".

heh. I'm trying to think how much a set of WOWs were the last time I
looked ...
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Champ

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:33:47 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <n495u0d181t47jtaf1trr633dq0sf2nohh@4ax.com>, Champ says...
>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:30:55 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>
>> >Yeah I'd love to give that a go ... supposedly excellent fun.
>>
>> Oh it is. There's still less outright grip than in the dry, but
>> waaaaaay more than you're used to in the wet, so for the first few
>> laps your head is silly saying "Hang on, I can't possibly lean over
>> this far in the rain".
>
>Ok, here's a question; why don't road tyres grip like that? Presumably
>race wets heat up and retain heat much more easily, coz I can't believe
>pure stickiness would work in the wet? So how long would race wets last
>on the road and why haven't they come up with something close for road
>use?

Race wets use *incredibly* soft/sticky rubber, that works very well at
low temperatures. They can do this because the water keeps them cool.
Once it dries out, the temp goes up and they fall to bits. Literally
- 3 or 4 fast laps on a dry track will totally destroy a set of wets -
not really what you want on the road, eh?

--
Please add "imo" to above post.
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <3bq7u01sd3e97gu4k54dg8ahs5jkd673m7@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:33:47 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <n495u0d181t47jtaf1trr633dq0sf2nohh@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> >> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:30:55 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> >Yeah I'd love to give that a go ... supposedly excellent fun.
> >>
> >> Oh it is. There's still less outright grip than in the dry, but
> >> waaaaaay more than you're used to in the wet, so for the first few
> >> laps your head is silly saying "Hang on, I can't possibly lean over
> >> this far in the rain".
> >
> >Ok, here's a question; why don't road tyres grip like that? Presumably
> >race wets heat up and retain heat much more easily, coz I can't believe
> >pure stickiness would work in the wet? So how long would race wets last
> >on the road and why haven't they come up with something close for road
> >use?
>
> Race wets use *incredibly* soft/sticky rubber, that works very well at
> low temperatures. They can do this because the water keeps them cool.
> Once it dries out, the temp goes up and they fall to bits. Literally
> - 3 or 4 fast laps on a dry track will totally destroy a set of wets -
> not really what you want on the road, eh?

Indeed not, but according to that bint in the article posted *up there*,
they're fine on at least a ZXR400 on the road, in the dry.
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

flash

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c4dfd3af30de7d4989a77@News.individual.ne t...
> In article <3bq7u01sd3e97gu4k54dg8ahs5jkd673m7@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> > On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:33:47 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >In article <n495u0d181t47jtaf1trr633dq0sf2nohh@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> > >> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:30:55 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >
> > >> >Yeah I'd love to give that a go ... supposedly excellent fun.
> > >>
> > >> Oh it is. There's still less outright grip than in the dry, but
> > >> waaaaaay more than you're used to in the wet, so for the first few
> > >> laps your head is silly saying "Hang on, I can't possibly lean over
> > >> this far in the rain".
> > >
> > >Ok, here's a question; why don't road tyres grip like that? Presumably
> > >race wets heat up and retain heat much more easily, coz I can't believe
> > >pure stickiness would work in the wet? So how long would race wets last
> > >on the road and why haven't they come up with something close for road
> > >use?
> >
> > Race wets use *incredibly* soft/sticky rubber, that works very well at
> > low temperatures. They can do this because the water keeps them cool.
> > Once it dries out, the temp goes up and they fall to bits. Literally
> > - 3 or 4 fast laps on a dry track will totally destroy a set of wets -
> > not really what you want on the road, eh?
>
> Indeed not, but according to that bint in the article posted *up there*,
> they're fine on at least a ZXR400 on the road, in the dry.

The avons in the article aren't pukka wets, they're road legal tyres with a
wet pattern.

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <34i95tF4a5u7eU1@individual.net>, flash says...
>
> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1c4dfd3af30de7d4989a77@News.individual.ne t...
> > In article <3bq7u01sd3e97gu4k54dg8ahs5jkd673m7@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> > > On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:33:47 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >In article <n495u0d181t47jtaf1trr633dq0sf2nohh@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> > > >> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:30:55 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> >Yeah I'd love to give that a go ... supposedly excellent fun.
> > > >>
> > > >> Oh it is. There's still less outright grip than in the dry, but
> > > >> waaaaaay more than you're used to in the wet, so for the first few
> > > >> laps your head is silly saying "Hang on, I can't possibly lean over
> > > >> this far in the rain".
> > > >
> > > >Ok, here's a question; why don't road tyres grip like that? Presumably
> > > >race wets heat up and retain heat much more easily, coz I can't believe
> > > >pure stickiness would work in the wet? So how long would race wets last
> > > >on the road and why haven't they come up with something close for road
> > > >use?
> > >
> > > Race wets use *incredibly* soft/sticky rubber, that works very well at
> > > low temperatures. They can do this because the water keeps them cool.
> > > Once it dries out, the temp goes up and they fall to bits. Literally
> > > - 3 or 4 fast laps on a dry track will totally destroy a set of wets -
> > > not really what you want on the road, eh?
> >
> > Indeed not, but according to that bint in the article posted *up there*,
> > they're fine on at least a ZXR400 on the road, in the dry.
>
> The avons in the article aren't pukka wets, they're road legal tyres with a
> wet pattern.

Oh.

Arse :)
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Champ

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:24:49 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
wrote:

>> > > Race wets use *incredibly* soft/sticky rubber, that works very well at
>> > > low temperatures. They can do this because the water keeps them cool.
>> > > Once it dries out, the temp goes up and they fall to bits. Literally
>> > > - 3 or 4 fast laps on a dry track will totally destroy a set of wets -
>> > > not really what you want on the road, eh?
>> >
>> > Indeed not, but according to that bint in the article posted *up there*,
>> > they're fine on at least a ZXR400 on the road, in the dry.
>>
>> The avons in the article aren't pukka wets, they're road legal tyres with a
>> wet pattern.
>
>Oh.
>
>Arse :)

And, that "wet pattern" means lots of rubber blocks, all of which move
slightly and generate heat (another reason that wets stay warm). So,
when gunning it on dry tarmac, you will heat them more than a more
normal road tread pattern

[One of the reasons slicks work so well is that, with no tread,
there's no blocks to move around, and therefore less heat generated.
Therefore, you can use a stickier compound]
--
Please add "imo" to above post.
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <4qs7u05lndpo2vo11atbkd5aq7mrq90b4o@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:24:49 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> > > Race wets use *incredibly* soft/sticky rubber, that works very well at
> >> > > low temperatures. They can do this because the water keeps them cool.
> >> > > Once it dries out, the temp goes up and they fall to bits. Literally
> >> > > - 3 or 4 fast laps on a dry track will totally destroy a set of wets -
> >> > > not really what you want on the road, eh?
> >> >
> >> > Indeed not, but according to that bint in the article posted *up there*,
> >> > they're fine on at least a ZXR400 on the road, in the dry.
> >>
> >> The avons in the article aren't pukka wets, they're road legal tyres with a
> >> wet pattern.
> >
> >Oh.
> >
> >Arse :)
>
> And, that "wet pattern" means lots of rubber blocks, all of which move
> slightly and generate heat (another reason that wets stay warm). So,
> when gunning it on dry tarmac, you will heat them more than a more
> normal road tread pattern
>
> [One of the reasons slicks work so well is that, with no tread,
> there's no blocks to move around, and therefore less heat generated.
> Therefore, you can use a stickier compound]

So we definitely all need to have a spare set of wheels included with
every bike so we can fit full wets :)

One other question; are full wets road legal? I'd guess not as they
presumably don't have a speed rating?
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Champ

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:49:19 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
wrote:

>So we definitely all need to have a spare set of wheels included with
>every bike so we can fit full wets :)

Yes, but it's not a new idea. In the first UK test of the ZZR1100 by
Performance Bikes (in 1990), Mark Forsyth said "if any bike should
come with both slicks and wets, this is it"

>One other question; are full wets road legal? I'd guess not as they
>presumably don't have a speed rating?

I think the only reason would be a technical one, as you've suggested.
I also imagine that road tyres go through all sorts of homologation
bollox that race tyres don't get.

--
Please add "imo" to above post.
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <lgt7u05abrl7s3shmu8jcu3qgi2gqg5fvm@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:49:19 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >So we definitely all need to have a spare set of wheels included with
> >every bike so we can fit full wets :)
>
> Yes, but it's not a new idea. In the first UK test of the ZZR1100 by
> Performance Bikes (in 1990), Mark Forsyth said "if any bike should
> come with both slicks and wets, this is it"

heh, neat.

Good journo, that one.

> >One other question; are full wets road legal? I'd guess not as they
> >presumably don't have a speed rating?
>
> I think the only reason would be a technical one, as you've suggested.
> I also imagine that road tyres go through all sorts of homologation
> bollox that race tyres don't get.

Yeah that was what I figured ... so is there something that says you
*have* to have a homologated tyre on your car/bike? Or is the law only
interested in the tread depth (which of course wets would have enough
of)?
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Champ

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:56:19 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <lgt7u05abrl7s3shmu8jcu3qgi2gqg5fvm@4ax.com>, Champ says...
>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:49:19 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >So we definitely all need to have a spare set of wheels included with
>> >every bike so we can fit full wets :)
>>
>> Yes, but it's not a new idea. In the first UK test of the ZZR1100 by
>> Performance Bikes (in 1990), Mark Forsyth said "if any bike should
>> come with both slicks and wets, this is it"
>
>heh, neat.
>
>Good journo, that one.

And personal friend of yours truly :-)

>> >One other question; are full wets road legal? I'd guess not as they
>> >presumably don't have a speed rating?
>>
>> I think the only reason would be a technical one, as you've suggested.
>> I also imagine that road tyres go through all sorts of homologation
>> bollox that race tyres don't get.
>
>Yeah that was what I figured ... so is there something that says you
>*have* to have a homologated tyre on your car/bike? Or is the law only
>interested in the tread depth (which of course wets would have enough
>of)?

As the law is applied, then I'd say effectively, no. i.e. any copper
is just going to check the tread depth. If you were in an accident,
and the whole JP-accident-investigation caravan arrived, then who
knows.
--
Please add "imo" to above post.
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

flash

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Champ" <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
news:bvu7u0tpbqn34f19q4ur078adpovck9sg9@4ax.com...

> >Yeah that was what I figured ... so is there something that says you
> >*have* to have a homologated tyre on your car/bike? Or is the law only
> >interested in the tread depth (which of course wets would have enough
> >of)?
>
> As the law is applied, then I'd say effectively, no. i.e. any copper
> is just going to check the tread depth. If you were in an accident,
> and the whole JP-accident-investigation caravan arrived, then who
> knows.

I would imagine your insurance company would find plenty of wriggle room.

Ace

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:49:19 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
wrote:

>So we definitely all need to have a spare set of wheels included with
>every bike so we can fit full wets :)

Naah, you're completely failing to spot the obvious - you need a spare
_bike_, exactly the same but with tatty paintwork and wet tyres
fitted.

--
Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom)
GSX-R1000K3
BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <bvu7u0tpbqn34f19q4ur078adpovck9sg9@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:56:19 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> wrote:

> >> Yes, but it's not a new idea. In the first UK test of the ZZR1100 by
> >> Performance Bikes (in 1990), Mark Forsyth said "if any bike should
> >> come with both slicks and wets, this is it"
> >
> >heh, neat.
> >
> >Good journo, that one.
>
> And personal friend of yours truly :-)

I know.

I think we need some sort of Mark Forsyth "PAHND!" thing ;)

> >> >One other question; are full wets road legal? I'd guess not as they
> >> >presumably don't have a speed rating?
> >>
> >> I think the only reason would be a technical one, as you've suggested.
> >> I also imagine that road tyres go through all sorts of homologation
> >> bollox that race tyres don't get.
> >
> >Yeah that was what I figured ... so is there something that says you
> >*have* to have a homologated tyre on your car/bike? Or is the law only
> >interested in the tread depth (which of course wets would have enough
> >of)?
>
> As the law is applied, then I'd say effectively, no. i.e. any copper
> is just going to check the tread depth. If you were in an accident,
> and the whole JP-accident-investigation caravan arrived, then who
> knows.

That would be my take on it ... plus of course I dare say if your
insurance company had a decent assessor then you may find yourself in a
bit of bother, were a claim involved.
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <87v7u0l581u15f83929mik51dvl2t8pne1@4ax.com>, Ace says...
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:49:19 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >So we definitely all need to have a spare set of wheels included with
> >every bike so we can fit full wets :)
>
> Naah, you're completely failing to spot the obvious - you need a spare
> _bike_, exactly the same but with tatty paintwork and wet tyres
> fitted.

lol. I totally missed that one, cheers :)
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

WavyDavy

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Rob Rossall" <skydive@rossall21.fslife.co.uk> wrote in message
news:crtuvq$cfb$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...

>>
> Any opinions on the Pirelli Diablo Corsa and standard Diablo

Standard Diablos are a very good road tyre and not at all bad for the odd
track day, IMHO. In the dry.

Spin up like a spinny thing at the fist sign of damp, tho.... At least they
do on my Daytona 955i.

Dave

Grimly Curmudgeon

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
saying something like:

<of wets>

>Yeah that was what I figured ... so is there something that says you
>*have* to have a homologated tyre on your car/bike? Or is the law only
>interested in the tread depth (which of course wets would have enough
>of)?

I've heard of a few over the years who've been done for using racing
tyres on the road. JP will know, but istr the catchall used to be 'unfit
for use' etc.

Racing tyres are a fair bit flimsier and much less able to cope with
crappy road surfaces, which adds an element of excitement due to suggen
deflation, etc.

As you mention up there (or down there), insurance ramifications might
be interesting.

--

Dave

GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3
FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10

Lozzo

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

flash says...

> http://www.motorbikestoday.com/features/Articles/avon_wets.htm

Road legal full wets, and in GPZ500 sizes too? Oh deep deep joy.
It looks like I may be making a tyre purchase soon.

--
Lozzo
ZX-9R
In cunnis confidimus

Muck

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Lozzo wrote:
> flash says...
>
>
>>http://www.motorbikestoday.com/features/Articles/avon_wets.htm
>
>
> Road legal full wets, and in GPZ500 sizes too? Oh deep deep joy.
> It looks like I may be making a tyre purchase soon.
>

You've got the GPZ500 sorted then? Cool.

--
Bandit 600; CG125; FZR250RR; DS#1 ; DOMO#1 ; SH#2 ; SKoGA#7 ; BOMB#16
"CG125 the most fun you can have at Mach 0.08539"
Remove _TEETH_ to e-mail

Lozzo

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Muck says...
> Lozzo wrote:
> > flash says...
> >
> >
> >>http://www.motorbikestoday.com/features/Articles/avon_wets.htm
> >
> >
> > Road legal full wets, and in GPZ500 sizes too? Oh deep deep joy.
> > It looks like I may be making a tyre purchase soon.
> >
>
> You've got the GPZ500 sorted then? Cool.

Not quite, so not so cool. Needs the bottom yoke straightening before I
refit the forks/wheel and then it's 99% there.

--
Lozzo
ZX-9R
In cunnis confidimus

Muck

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Lozzo wrote:
> Muck says...
>
>>Lozzo wrote:
>>
>>> flash says...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.motorbikestoday.com/features/Articles/avon_wets.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>Road legal full wets, and in GPZ500 sizes too? Oh deep deep joy.
>>>It looks like I may be making a tyre purchase soon.
>>>
>>
>>You've got the GPZ500 sorted then? Cool.
>
>
> Not quite, so not so cool. Needs the bottom yoke straightening before I
> refit the forks/wheel and then it's 99% there.
>

Getting there. :) I take it, from your tyre choice, it'll be a road
legal racer?

--
Bandit 600; CG125; FZR250RR; DS#1 ; DOMO#1 ; SH#2 ; SKoGA#7 ; BOMB#16
"CG125 the most fun you can have at Mach 0.08539"
Remove _TEETH_ to e-mail

Lozzo

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Muck says...
> Lozzo wrote:
> > Muck says...
> >>You've got the GPZ500 sorted then? Cool.
> >
> > Not quite, so not so cool. Needs the bottom yoke straightening before I
> > refit the forks/wheel and then it's 99% there.
> >
> Getting there. :) I take it, from your tyre choice, it'll be a road
> legal racer?

It's being built primarily with track days in mind, but also to be
thrown into service as my spare road bike. I'm looking to buy a 125 2-
stroke or 250 4-stroke trailie in the next year as well as a Gixer thou
by next xmas.

--
Lozzo
ZX-9R
In cunnis confidimus

Muck

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Lozzo wrote:
> Muck says...
>
>>Lozzo wrote:
>>
>>> Muck says...
>>>
>>>>You've got the GPZ500 sorted then? Cool.
>>>
>>>Not quite, so not so cool. Needs the bottom yoke straightening before I
>>>refit the forks/wheel and then it's 99% there.
>>>
>>
>>Getting there. :) I take it, from your tyre choice, it'll be a road
>>legal racer?
>
>
> It's being built primarily with track days in mind, but also to be
> thrown into service as my spare road bike. I'm looking to buy a 125 2-
> stroke or 250 4-stroke trailie in the next year as well as a Gixer thou
> by next xmas.
>

That's at least 5 bikes, if I've done my counting correctly. I wouldn't
mind a few more 4 cylinder 250s and maybe a 400, but that's not going to
happen any time soon. By next Xmas, I hope that I'll be having a break
from my engineering course.

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Lozzo

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Muck says...
> Lozzo wrote:
> > It's being built primarily with track days in mind, but also to be
> > thrown into service as my spare road bike. I'm looking to buy a 125 2-
> > stroke or 250 4-stroke trailie in the next year as well as a Gixer thou
> > by next xmas.
> >
>
> That's at least 5 bikes, if I've done my counting correctly. I wouldn't
> mind a few more 4 cylinder 250s and maybe a 400, but that's not going to
> happen any time soon. By next Xmas, I hope that I'll be having a break
> from my engineering course.

I have 5 bikes at present - ZX-9R, GPZ500 and 3 CB250RSs. As and when
the GPZ goes back on the road I'll be offering the SOCB250RS, and the
two spares bikes, up for freebie grabs on here. I want a maximum of 3
bikes by the end of the year, and all of them have to be running and in
good nick. Call it a new years resolution.

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ZX-9R
In cunnis confidimus

Timo Geusch

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Bear was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
> In article <34i5bhF48kakhU1@individual.net>, flash says...
>>
>> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > I'm guessing, but would a bigger, heavier, more powerful bike not chew
>> > them to bits much, much faster? If they're lasting a projected 2-3K
>> > miles on a ZXR400, something like an R1 would presumably rip them to
>> > shreds in short order?
>> >
>> They would if you used them in the dry all the time but they might last a
>> winter. Especially if you took the car every time it was raining.
>
> It's got to be worth some loon trying this ... near-dry weather handling
> all winter long ... could be a hoot.

They are a hoot.

I've currently got a front one on the Husky (combined with a rear
BT010, natch). That'll be the front superglued to the road
then[1]. Mind ewe, the rear one (which I've also got) looks rather
secondhand - it doesn't seem to like the big single.

Oi likes it, but I'll probably try a set of Maxxis Road compound
intermediates next.

[1] Excuse #111 as to why I can't get it to wheelie.

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Muck

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Lozzo wrote:
> Muck says...
>
>>Lozzo wrote:
>>
>>>It's being built primarily with track days in mind, but also to be
>>>thrown into service as my spare road bike. I'm looking to buy a 125 2-
>>>stroke or 250 4-stroke trailie in the next year as well as a Gixer thou
>>>by next xmas.
>>>
>>
>>That's at least 5 bikes, if I've done my counting correctly. I wouldn't
>>mind a few more 4 cylinder 250s and maybe a 400, but that's not going to
>>happen any time soon. By next Xmas, I hope that I'll be having a break
>>from my engineering course.
>
>
> I have 5 bikes at present - ZX-9R, GPZ500 and 3 CB250RSs. As and when
> the GPZ goes back on the road I'll be offering the SOCB250RS, and the
> two spares bikes, up for freebie grabs on here. I want a maximum of 3
> bikes by the end of the year, and all of them have to be running and in
> good nick. Call it a new years resolution.
>

Well, I didn't even celebrate new year, make any resolutions or
anything. I think I was watching Cartoon network when new year slid by. :)

The RS has given you a lot of miles for next to nothing, I'd like to see
someone that has only had shiny bikes get that.... for a laugh.

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Lozzo

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Muck says...

> The RS has given you a lot of miles for next to nothing, I'd like to see
> someone that has only had shiny bikes get that.... for a laugh.

Whatever happens to it, it will be given away on the understanding that
money never changes hands when it moves on. Instead I want a 20 quid
donation to be made to Riders For Health by whoever the new owner then
becomes. That's how much and who I gave to when it came into my
ownership.

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ZX-9R
In cunnis confidimus

steve auvache

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Lozzo wrote
> Muck says...
>
>> The RS has given you a lot of miles for next to nothing, I'd like to see
>> someone that has only had shiny bikes get that.... for a laugh.
>
>Whatever happens to it, it will be given away on the understanding that
>money never changes hands when it moves on. Instead I want a 20 quid
>donation to be made to Riders For Health by whoever the new owner then
>becomes. That's how much and who I gave to when it came into my
>ownership.

Nice.

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MZ TS150: for sale still.
Bandit 600

Muck

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

steve auvache wrote:
> Lozzo wrote
>
>>Muck says...
>>
>>
>>>The RS has given you a lot of miles for next to nothing, I'd like to see
>>>someone that has only had shiny bikes get that.... for a laugh.
>>
>>Whatever happens to it, it will be given away on the understanding that
>>money never changes hands when it moves on. Instead I want a 20 quid
>>donation to be made to Riders For Health by whoever the new owner then
>>becomes. That's how much and who I gave to when it came into my
>>ownership.
>
>
> Nice.
>
>

My thoughts exactly.

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steve auvache

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Muck wrote
>steve auvache wrote:
>> Lozzo wrote
>>
>>>Muck says...
>>>
>>>
>>>>The RS has given you a lot of miles for next to nothing, I'd like to see
>>>>someone that has only had shiny bikes get that.... for a laugh.
>>>
>>>Whatever happens to it, it will be given away on the understanding that
>>>money never changes hands when it moves on. Instead I want a 20 quid
>>>donation to be made to Riders For Health by whoever the new owner then
>>>becomes. That's how much and who I gave to when it came into my
>>>ownership.
>>
>>
>> Nice.
>>
>>
>
>My thoughts exactly.

I would worry about thinking like me if I were you.

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MZ TS150: for sale still.
Bandit 600