Slightly OT: Binaries - working with [Archive]

Catman

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

'Hog wrote:

> This is slightly embarrasing.
> OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They
> are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They have
> endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I
> thought winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
>
> 'Hog

Depends really. if there is a .00, .01 etc etc then mastersplitter is your
pal.
if there is a .rar .01 .02 etc then winrar is what you need

You might also want to grab a copy of smartpar or similar. This will allow
you to use any .par files posted to replair damaged parts, or replace
missing ones without dl ing a complete part

apparently
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Daz

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:20:14 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
wrote:

<snip>

>Really? I could have sworn mine worked ok no matter which extension you
>clicked on, be it 01 or 99.
>
>I shall investigate. ICBW.

You can associate the 00x extension with winrar and as long as you
have all the files it'll extract OK. I decided to omit this bit to
prevent confusing the already struggling OP :o)

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Stritchy

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote:

>This is slightly embarrasing.
>OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They
>are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They have
>endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I
>thought winrar would put it back together. Seems not.

HJSplit
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David Ellis

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In the 3rd Millenium, on Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog"
<invalid@ukrm.net> submitted this:

>This is slightly embarrasing.
>OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They
>are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They have
>endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I
>thought winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
>
>'Hog
>
>
Usually rar files are used but this might do the trick :

http://www.freebyte.com/hjsplit/#hjjoin
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Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <7bt5u056orqem3i6oih3067sl6evemqa11@4ax.com>, Daz says...
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:20:14 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >Really? I could have sworn mine worked ok no matter which extension you
> >clicked on, be it 01 or 99.
> >
> >I shall investigate. ICBW.
>
> You can associate the 00x extension with winrar and as long as you
> have all the files it'll extract OK. I decided to omit this bit to
> prevent confusing the already struggling OP :o)

Ahhhhh. An entirely fair comment :)
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AndrewR

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

'Hog wrote:
> This is slightly embarrasing.
> OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They
> are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They
> have endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now!
> I thought winrar would put it back together. Seems not.

type sample.001 > porno.rm
type sample.002 >> porno.rm
type sample.003 >> porno.rm
****

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'Hog

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"AndrewR" <andrew@rockface.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:34gh45F4c2lkbU1@individual.net...
> 'Hog wrote:
>> This is slightly embarrasing.
>> OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They
>> are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They
>> have endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now!
>> I thought winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
>
> type sample.001 > porno.rm
> type sample.002 >> porno.rm
> type sample.003 >> porno.rm
> ****

Snort

'Hog

Bob123

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
news:34g6u7F4b6nilU1@individual.net...
> This is slightly embarrasing.
> OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They are
> split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They have
> endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I thought
> winrar would put it back together. Seems not.

You put them back together using an app called "HS split" Google for it.
It's free and it never fails if all the parts are "there"

Beav

Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c4d01ece4a8773d989a38@News.individual.ne t...
> In article <r5s5u0htvoept7taa869bldg85q7vrv6s2@4ax.com>, Daz says...
>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote:
>>
>> >This is slightly embarrasing.
>> >OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They
>> >are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They have
>> >endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I
>> >thought winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
>>
>> Winrar will work.

Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new list,
usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will join them into
a complete movie, but Winrar won't.

Beav

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <10u7m1lgpib913b@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
>
> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1c4d01ece4a8773d989a38@News.individual.ne t...
> > In article <r5s5u0htvoept7taa869bldg85q7vrv6s2@4ax.com>, Daz says...
> >> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >This is slightly embarrasing.
> >> >OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They
> >> >are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They have
> >> >endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I
> >> >thought winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
> >>
> >> Winrar will work.
>
> Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new list,
> usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will join them into
> a complete movie, but Winrar won't.

Eh? You sure? I'm fairly sure I've decoded and saved complete movies
using WinRar, but ICBW.

Ah now, thinking about it maybe not ... it might be that I've just
WinRar'd a complete avi or mpeg file ...

God, it's all so sodding complex :) In any case, Zen's binary server
feed is FUBAR'd (again!), so I'll have to wait for them to fix it before
I can have a bash.
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Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <10u7lsrkhrt08bc@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
>
> "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
> news:34g6u7F4b6nilU1@individual.net...
> > This is slightly embarrasing.
> > OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They are
> > split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They have
> > endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I thought
> > winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
>
> You put them back together using an app called "HS split" Google for it.

Google just rants on about High Schools splitting up ... download.com
doesn't seem to have it either (did a search) ... where does one get it
from?
--
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"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Preston Kemp

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Beav wrote:

>
> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1c4d01ece4a8773d989a38@News.individual.ne t...
> > In article <r5s5u0htvoept7taa869bldg85q7vrv6s2@4ax.com>, Daz says...
> >> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> >> >This is slightly embarrasing.
> >> >OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there.
> They >> >are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for
> me. They have >> >endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do
> with them now! I >> >thought winrar would put it back together. Seems
> not.
> > >
> >> Winrar will work.
>
> Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new
> list, usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will
> join them into a complete movie, but Winrar won't.

Balderdash. If you've got all the parts, WinRar will combine & decode
them & spit out the single avi/mpeg/whatever. If you haven't got all
the parts, or some are damaged, download a couple of PARs (which might
be .P01, .P02 etc) & SmartPar will use them to repair the RARs.

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Cab

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Bear bored us all completely to death with wittery prose along the
lines of:

> > Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new
> > list, usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will
> > join them into a complete movie, but Winrar won't.
>
> Eh? You sure? I'm fairly sure I've decoded and saved complete movies
> using WinRar, but ICBW.

I did once with WinRAR, after downloading a film from either Ben or
Blaney, that was cut up into 10Mb chunks.

And no, I'm not wrong. So neither are you. :-)
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Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <xn0dx4rrheq5nu000@fra-linux1.fr.stratus.com>, Cab says...
> Bear bored us all completely to death with wittery prose along the
> lines of:
>
> > > Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new
> > > list, usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will
> > > join them into a complete movie, but Winrar won't.
> >
> > Eh? You sure? I'm fairly sure I've decoded and saved complete movies
> > using WinRar, but ICBW.
>
> I did once with WinRAR, after downloading a film from either Ben or
> Blaney, that was cut up into 10Mb chunks.
>
> And no, I'm not wrong. So neither are you. :-)

Strewth. Who'd have guessed? :)
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Catman

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Beav wrote:

>
> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1c4d01ece4a8773d989a38@News.individual.ne t...
>> In article <r5s5u0htvoept7taa869bldg85q7vrv6s2@4ax.com>, Daz says...
>>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >This is slightly embarrasing.
>>> >OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They
>>> >are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They have
>>> >endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I
>>> >thought winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
>>>
>>> Winrar will work.
>
> Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new list,
> usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will join them
> into a complete movie, but Winrar won't.

Before Preston and Bear go for the throat,it depends on the process used to
create the .rar files:

1) Take one whole movie, runr win.rar to create .rar files, compressed.
Upload. In that circumstance, win rar is all you need
2) Take one whole movie and run hj / mastersplit to create lots of small
files. Compress each one with win.rar, then up load. *That* will require
both winrar and mastersplitter to get the movie out.

FWIW I've been leeching for years. Different standards apply to different
groups and it's always the posters choice.
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Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <KaVEd.583722$O24.89211@news.easynews.com>, Catman says...
> Beav wrote:
>
> >
> > "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1c4d01ece4a8773d989a38@News.individual.ne t...
> >> In article <r5s5u0htvoept7taa869bldg85q7vrv6s2@4ax.com>, Daz says...
> >>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >This is slightly embarrasing.
> >>> >OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They
> >>> >are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They have
> >>> >endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I
> >>> >thought winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
> >>>
> >>> Winrar will work.
> >
> > Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new list,
> > usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will join them
> > into a complete movie, but Winrar won't.
>
> Before Preston and Bear go for the throat

I did nothing of the sort, if you look.
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"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Preston Kemp

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Catman wrote:

> Beav wrote:
>
> >
> > "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1c4d01ece4a8773d989a38@News.individual.ne t...
> >> In article <r5s5u0htvoept7taa869bldg85q7vrv6s2@4ax.com>, Daz
> says... >>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog"
> <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote:
> > > >
> >>> >This is slightly embarrasing.
> >>> >OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there.
> They >>> >are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for
> me. They have >>> >endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do
> with them now! I >>> >thought winrar would put it back together.
> Seems not.
> > > >
> >>> Winrar will work.
> >
> > Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new
> > list, usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will
> > join them into a complete movie, but Winrar won't.
>
> Before Preston and Bear go for the throat

Oh I'm pretty sure we're a long way away from that stage ;-)

> it depends on the process
> used to create the .rar files:
>
> 1) Take one whole movie, runr win.rar to create .rar files,
> compressed. Upload. In that circumstance, win rar is all you need

Check.

> 2) Take one whole movie and run hj / mastersplit to create lots of
> small files. Compress each one with win.rar, then up load. That
> will require both winrar and mastersplitter to get the movie out.

How bizarre. I'm very glad to say I've never come across one of those.

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Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c4dee74f702e7cb989a67@News.individual.ne t...
> In article <10u7m1lgpib913b@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
>>
>> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1c4d01ece4a8773d989a38@News.individual.ne t...
>> > In article <r5s5u0htvoept7taa869bldg85q7vrv6s2@4ax.com>, Daz says...
>> >> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >This is slightly embarrasing.
>> >> >OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They
>> >> >are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They
>> >> >have
>> >> >endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I
>> >> >thought winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
>> >>
>> >> Winrar will work.
>>
>> Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new list,
>> usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will join them
>> into
>> a complete movie, but Winrar won't.
>
> Eh? You sure? I'm fairly sure I've decoded and saved complete movies
> using WinRar, but ICBW.

Winrar WILL decode them, but only into their unrar'd state and that will
depend on how the poster had them before zipping 'em up. Some WILL work
right off the bat after being unrar'd, but most don't. Some posters post a
block of PAR files too in order to "repair" broken parts of the rar archive
(I think it's FSraid that deals with PAR's, but ICBW on that)
)
>
> Ah now, thinking about it maybe not ... it might be that I've just
> WinRar'd a complete avi or mpeg file ...

Very likely.

>
> God, it's all so sodding complex :) In any case, Zen's binary server
> feed is FUBAR'd (again!), so I'll have to wait for them to fix it before
> I can have a bash.

Super (or Easy)news. Easy was better from a retention POV, but it had a 3gig
per month cap. Not good when Super had a 10 gig cap. Mind ewe, I did get
every episode of Red Dwarf through Easynews and a whole slew of 60's radio
comedy shows (Hancock, Round the Horne, etc) so it wasn't too bad.

Beav

Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:2iREd.133$EM3.38@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Beav wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1c4d01ece4a8773d989a38@News.individual.ne t...
>> > In article <r5s5u0htvoept7taa869bldg85q7vrv6s2@4ax.com>, Daz says...
>> >> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> >> >This is slightly embarrasing.
>> >> >OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there.
>> They >> >are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for
>> me. They have >> >endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do
>> with them now! I >> >thought winrar would put it back together. Seems
>> not.
>> > >
>> >> Winrar will work.
>>
>> Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new
>> list, usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will
>> join them into a complete movie, but Winrar won't.
>
> Balderdash.

And verities.

If you've got all the parts, WinRar will combine & decode
> them & spit out the single avi/mpeg/whatever.

It will if it's not been split into parts using HSsplit, Camel or a whole
slew of others. HS joins them all, Winrar does NOT.

If you haven't got all
> the parts, or some are damaged, download a couple of PARs (which might
> be .P01, .P02 etc) & SmartPar will use them to repair the RARs.

Ok, you know, carry on sir

Beav

Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Catman" <catman@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:KaVEd.583722$O24.89211@news.easynews.com...
> Beav wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1c4d01ece4a8773d989a38@News.individual.ne t...
>>> In article <r5s5u0htvoept7taa869bldg85q7vrv6s2@4ax.com>, Daz says...
>>>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >This is slightly embarrasing.
>>>> >OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They
>>>> >are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They
>>>> >have
>>>> >endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I
>>>> >thought winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
>>>>
>>>> Winrar will work.
>>
>> Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new list,
>> usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will join them
>> into a complete movie, but Winrar won't.
>
> Before Preston and Bear go for the throat,it depends on the process used
> to
> create the .rar files:
>
> 1) Take one whole movie, runr win.rar to create .rar files, compressed.
> Upload. In that circumstance, win rar is all you need
> 2) Take one whole movie and run hj / mastersplit to create lots of small
> files. Compress each one with win.rar, then up load. *That* will require
> both winrar and mastersplitter to get the movie out.

Posted in a lot fewer words than I was about to, but in the end I really
couldn't arsed explaining to "He who obviously knows it all"

Bear's files are /obviously/ produced in your latter group.

Beav

Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c4e34dc830a571a989aab@News.individual.ne t...
> In article <KaVEd.583722$O24.89211@news.easynews.com>, Catman says...
>> Beav wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:MPG.1c4d01ece4a8773d989a38@News.individual.ne t...
>> >> In article <r5s5u0htvoept7taa869bldg85q7vrv6s2@4ax.com>, Daz says...
>> >>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >This is slightly embarrasing.
>> >>> >OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there.
>> >>> >They
>> >>> >are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They
>> >>> >have
>> >>> >endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I
>> >>> >thought winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
>> >>>
>> >>> Winrar will work.
>> >
>> > Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new
>> > list,
>> > usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will join them
>> > into a complete movie, but Winrar won't.
>>
>> Before Preston and Bear go for the throat
>
> I did nothing of the sort, if you look.

You didn't, and I knew that.

Beav

Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:0nWEd.218$0G6.213@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
> Catman wrote:
>
>> Beav wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:MPG.1c4d01ece4a8773d989a38@News.individual.ne t...
>> >> In article <r5s5u0htvoept7taa869bldg85q7vrv6s2@4ax.com>, Daz
>> says... >>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog"
>> <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote:
>> > > >
>> >>> >This is slightly embarrasing.
>> >>> >OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there.
>> They >>> >are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for
>> me. They have >>> >endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do
>> with them now! I >>> >thought winrar would put it back together.
>> Seems not.
>> > > >
>> >>> Winrar will work.
>> >
>> > Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new
>> > list, usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will
>> > join them into a complete movie, but Winrar won't.
>>
>> Before Preston and Bear go for the throat
>
> Oh I'm pretty sure we're a long way away from that stage ;-)
>
>> it depends on the process
>> used to create the .rar files:
>>
>> 1) Take one whole movie, runr win.rar to create .rar files,
>> compressed. Upload. In that circumstance, win rar is all you need
>
> Check.
>
>> 2) Take one whole movie and run hj / mastersplit to create lots of
>> small files. Compress each one with win.rar, then up load. That
>> will require both winrar and mastersplitter to get the movie out.
>
> How bizarre.

Not even SLIGHTLY bizzare, in fact quite the opposite. It's called bandwidth
saving. Sir should do some research before opening a message with
"Ballderdash" shouldn't sir?

I'm very glad to say I've never come across one of those.

I'll bet you are. You'd have a **** load of files you couldn't ****ing read
otherwise and be on here asking why not. That'd be a bit of a cunt if there
was only you to answer now wouldn't it?

Beav

Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c4def14f709d5ab989a68@News.individual.ne t...
> In article <10u7lsrkhrt08bc@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
>>
>> "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
>> news:34g6u7F4b6nilU1@individual.net...
>> > This is slightly embarrasing.
>> > OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They
>> > are
>> > split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They have
>> > endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I
>> > thought
>> > winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
>>
>> You put them back together using an app called "HS split" Google for it.
>
> Google just rants on about High Schools splitting up ... download.com
> doesn't seem to have it either (did a search) ... where does one get it
> from?

I'll send it you if your email is valid. It's not big and it IS clever.

Beav

Preston Kemp

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Beav wrote:

>
> "Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0nWEd.218$0G6.213@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
> > Catman wrote:
> >
> >
> >> 2) Take one whole movie and run hj / mastersplit to create lots of
> >> small files. Compress each one with win.rar, then up load. That
> >> will require both winrar and mastersplitter to get the movie out.
> >
> > How bizarre.
>
> Not even SLIGHTLY bizzare, in fact quite the opposite. It's called
> bandwidth saving.

How does that save more bandwidth than splitting the RAR, exactly?

> Sir should do some research before opening a
> message with "Ballderdash" shouldn't sir?

Sir doesn't need to do any research tyvm, as sir has successfully
downloaded & extracted thousands of multi-part RARs by only using
WinRAR &, when required, SmartPAR. You said that wasn't possible, which
is patently balderdash, n'est pas?

--
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Off-road classifieds

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Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <10u8gm9ssl58gdd@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
>
> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1c4def14f709d5ab989a68@News.individual.ne t...
> > In article <10u7lsrkhrt08bc@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
> >>
> >> "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
> >> news:34g6u7F4b6nilU1@individual.net...
> >> > This is slightly embarrasing.
> >> > OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They
> >> > are
> >> > split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They have
> >> > endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I
> >> > thought
> >> > winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
> >>
> >> You put them back together using an app called "HS split" Google for it.
> >
> > Google just rants on about High Schools splitting up ... download.com
> > doesn't seem to have it either (did a search) ... where does one get it
> > from?
>
> I'll send it you if your email is valid. It's not big and it IS clever.

Yes please. Obviously the DOT is a "."
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:PLXEd.518$EM3.301@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Beav wrote:
>
>>
>> "Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:0nWEd.218$0G6.213@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>> > Catman wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> 2) Take one whole movie and run hj / mastersplit to create lots of
>> >> small files. Compress each one with win.rar, then up load. That
>> >> will require both winrar and mastersplitter to get the movie out.
>> >
>> > How bizarre.
>>
>> Not even SLIGHTLY bizzare, in fact quite the opposite. It's called
>> bandwidth saving.
>
> How does that save more bandwidth than splitting the RAR, exactly?

Because the files are smaller.

>
>> Sir should do some research before opening a
>> message with "Ballderdash" shouldn't sir?
>
> Sir doesn't need to do any research tyvm, as sir has successfully
> downloaded & extracted thousands of multi-part RARs by only using
> WinRAR &, when required, SmartPAR. You said that wasn't possible, which
> is patently balderdash, n'est pas?

If it was patently possible, explain why Bear can't run the movie.

It's not possible if the parts were split using a splitting/combining app
like they so obviously were in Bears case.

Förstor det?

Beav
>
> --
> Preston.
>
> http://www.muddystuff.co.uk
> Off-road classifieds
>
> '02 MV Senna '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uk_tiger_rides

Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
news:34g6u7F4b6nilU1@individual.net...
> This is slightly embarrasing.
> OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They are
> split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They have
> endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I thought
> winrar would put it back together. Seems not.

Did you get HJ SPlit Hog? I sent it but of course it bounced.

Beav

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <10u8k0q5to8q940@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...

> It's not possible if the parts were split using a splitting/combining app
> like they so obviously were in Bears case.

If you'd been paying attention you'd have seen that it wasn't me who
originally asked.

And FFS snip sigs will you? Ta.
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <10u8juck81f83e8@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
>
> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1c4def14f709d5ab989a68@News.individual.ne t...
> > In article <10u7lsrkhrt08bc@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
> >>
> >> "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
> >> news:34g6u7F4b6nilU1@individual.net...
> >> > This is slightly embarrasing.
> >> > OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there. They
> >> > are
> >> > split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They have
> >> > endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I
> >> > thought
> >> > winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
> >>
> >> You put them back together using an app called "HS split" Google for it.
> >
> > Google just rants on about High Schools splitting up ... download.com
> > doesn't seem to have it either (did a search) ... where does one get it
> > from?
>
> I dropped a bollock too, it's HJSplit
>
> TC :)

Ah right; in that case don't worry about emailing me it, I'll download
it, thanks.
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Preston Kemp

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Beav wrote:

>
> "Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> news:PLXEd.518$EM3.301@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> > Beav wrote:
> >
> > >
> >> "Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:0nWEd.218$0G6.213@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
> >> > Catman wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> 2) Take one whole movie and run hj / mastersplit to create lots
> of >> >> small files. Compress each one with win.rar, then up load.
> That >> >> will require both winrar and mastersplitter to get the
> movie out. >> >
> >> > How bizarre.
> > >
> >> Not even SLIGHTLY bizzare, in fact quite the opposite. It's called
> >> bandwidth saving.
> >
> > How does that save more bandwidth than splitting the RAR, exactly?
>
> Because the files are smaller.

I don't see why splitting then RARing would result in smaller files
than RARing then splitting, unless Mastersplit also compresses them -
in which case why bother RARing in the first place. But I'll take your
word for it.

> >> Sir should do some research before opening a
> >> message with "Ballderdash" shouldn't sir?
> >
> > Sir doesn't need to do any research tyvm, as sir has successfully
> > downloaded & extracted thousands of multi-part RARs by only using
> > WinRAR &, when required, SmartPAR. You said that wasn't possible,
> > which is patently balderdash, n'est pas?
>
> If it was patently possible, explain why Bear can't run the movie.

Probably because 'Hog hasn't sent it to him ;-)

--
Preston.

http://www.muddystuff.co.uk
Off-road classifieds

'02 MV Senna '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uk_tiger_rides

Catman

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Catman

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Bear wrote:

> In article <KaVEd.583722$O24.89211@news.easynews.com>, Catman says...
>> Beav wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:MPG.1c4d01ece4a8773d989a38@News.individual.ne t...
>> >> In article <r5s5u0htvoept7taa869bldg85q7vrv6s2@4ax.com>, Daz says...
>> >>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >This is slightly embarrasing.
>> >>> >OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there.
>> >>> >They are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me.
>> >>> >They have endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with
>> >>> >them now! I thought winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
>> >>>
>> >>> Winrar will work.
>> >
>> > Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new
>> > list, usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will
>> > join them into a complete movie, but Winrar won't.
>>
>> Before Preston and Bear go for the throat
>
> I did nothing of the sort, if you look.

That's why I said 'before'

Although beav seems to have stepped up to the mark with aplomb.
This is UKRM, there are so many better thing to flam each other about......
--
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Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 2.0 TS
Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits
www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk

Catman

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Catman wrote:

> Bear wrote:
>
>> In article <KaVEd.583722$O24.89211@news.easynews.com>, Catman says...
>>> Beav wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:MPG.1c4d01ece4a8773d989a38@News.individual.ne t...
>>> >> In article <r5s5u0htvoept7taa869bldg85q7vrv6s2@4ax.com>, Daz says...
>>> >>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> >This is slightly embarrasing.
>>> >>> >OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there.
>>> >>> >They are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me.
>>> >>> >They have endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with
>>> >>> >them now! I thought winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Winrar will work.
>>> >
>>> > Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new
>>> > list, usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will
>>> > join them into a complete movie, but Winrar won't.
>>>
>>> Before Preston and Bear go for the throat
>>
>> I did nothing of the sort, if you look.
>
> That's why I said 'before'

Bad form. What I meant to imply was that there was no need to start a war
over something where the answer is so obvious.

I did not mean to imply that you necessairly *would* IYSWIM

> Although beav seems to have stepped up to the mark with aplomb.
> This is UKRM, there are so many better thing to flam each other
> about......

--
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Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply)
Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 2.0 TS
Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits
www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <YZ4Fd.618441$lR6.96777@news.easynews.com>, Catman says...
> Catman wrote:
>
> > Bear wrote:
> >
> >> In article <KaVEd.583722$O24.89211@news.easynews.com>, Catman says...
> >>> Beav wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> > news:MPG.1c4d01ece4a8773d989a38@News.individual.ne t...
> >>> >> In article <r5s5u0htvoept7taa869bldg85q7vrv6s2@4ax.com>, Daz says...
> >>> >>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0000, "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> >This is slightly embarrasing.
> >>> >>> >OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there.
> >>> >>> >They are split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me.
> >>> >>> >They have endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with
> >>> >>> >them now! I thought winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Winrar will work.
> >>> >
> >>> > Winrar will work to unrar the files, but that leaves you with a new
> >>> > list, usually blocks starting at 001 and counting up. HS split will
> >>> > join them into a complete movie, but Winrar won't.
> >>>
> >>> Before Preston and Bear go for the throat
> >>
> >> I did nothing of the sort, if you look.
> >
> > That's why I said 'before'
>
>
> Bad form. What I meant to imply was that there was no need to start a war
> over something where the answer is so obvious.
>
> I did not mean to imply that you necessairly *would* IYSWIM

I do indeed see :)

> > Although beav seems to have stepped up to the mark with aplomb.
> > This is UKRM, there are so many better thing to flam each other
> > about......

Flam? Good term.
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <aX4Fd.618314$lR6.96891@news.easynews.com>, Catman says...
> Beav wrote:
>
> >
> > "Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:PLXEd.518$EM3.301@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> >> Beav wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> "Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> >>> news:0nWEd.218$0G6.213@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
> >>> > Catman wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >> 2) Take one whole movie and run hj / mastersplit to create lots of
> >>> >> small files. Compress each one with win.rar, then up load. That
> >>> >> will require both winrar and mastersplitter to get the movie out.
> >>> >
> >>> > How bizarre.
> >>>
> >>> Not even SLIGHTLY bizzare, in fact quite the opposite. It's called
> >>> bandwidth saving.
> >>
> >> How does that save more bandwidth than splitting the RAR, exactly?
> >
> > Because the files are smaller.
>
> Don't think they are you know. TBH I'm really not sure why posters do it,
> but it's their call.

Why they split them, you mean?

I know the answer to that one, but you might mean something else.
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c4e66f730890208989ab1@News.individual.ne t...
> In article <10u8k0q5to8q940@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
>
>> It's not possible if the parts were split using a splitting/combining app
>> like they so obviously were in Bears case.
>
> If you'd been paying attention you'd have seen that it wasn't me who
> originally asked.

I ****ed up on the attribution. I wonder if I'm the first?
>
> And FFS snip sigs will you? Ta.

Done

Beav

Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:x5_Ed.1535$yM6.840@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> Beav wrote:
>
>>
>> "Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:PLXEd.518$EM3.301@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
>> > Beav wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> >> "Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> news:0nWEd.218$0G6.213@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>> >> > Catman wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> 2) Take one whole movie and run hj / mastersplit to create lots
>> of >> >> small files. Compress each one with win.rar, then up load.
>> That >> >> will require both winrar and mastersplitter to get the
>> movie out. >> >
>> >> > How bizarre.
>> > >
>> >> Not even SLIGHTLY bizzare, in fact quite the opposite. It's called
>> >> bandwidth saving.
>> >
>> > How does that save more bandwidth than splitting the RAR, exactly?
>>
>> Because the files are smaller.
>
> I don't see why splitting then RARing would result in smaller files
> than RARing then splitting, unless Mastersplit also compresses them -
> in which case why bother RARing in the first place. But I'll take your
> word for it.

Splitting them is done so that posters can get them online in sections,
thereby eliminating the need to re-post the whole movie (maybe 350meg) if a
line or part is missing. Miss a single line from a rar file and it won't
complete the unpacking process, but if the movie has been split, then just
"that" section needs re-posting which could be something around a mere
10meg. Following the split, they're Rar'd then posted as smaller blocks, but
unraring all the blocks results in one section (number 001) being viewable,
but none of the others until they're re-joined.

That's where the joining utility (HJSplit) comes into play.

>
>
>> >> Sir should do some research before opening a
>> >> message with "Ballderdash" shouldn't sir?
>> >
>> > Sir doesn't need to do any research tyvm, as sir has successfully
>> > downloaded & extracted thousands of multi-part RARs by only using
>> > WinRAR &, when required, SmartPAR. You said that wasn't possible,
>> > which is patently balderdash, n'est pas?
>>
>> If it was patently possible, explain why Bear can't run the movie.
>
> Probably because 'Hog hasn't sent it to him ;-)

That's just an excuse that is :-)

Beav

Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c4e672a7247d68989ab2@News.individual.net ...
> In article <10u8juck81f83e8@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
>>
>> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1c4def14f709d5ab989a68@News.individual.ne t...
>> > In article <10u7lsrkhrt08bc@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
>> >>
>> >> "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:34g6u7F4b6nilU1@individual.net...
>> >> > This is slightly embarrasing.
>> >> > OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there.
>> >> > They
>> >> > are
>> >> > split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They have
>> >> > endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I
>> >> > thought
>> >> > winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
>> >>
>> >> You put them back together using an app called "HS split" Google for
>> >> it.
>> >
>> > Google just rants on about High Schools splitting up ... download.com
>> > doesn't seem to have it either (did a search) ... where does one get it
>> > from?
>>
>> I dropped a bollock too, it's HJSplit
>>
>> TC :)
>
> Ah right; in that case don't worry about emailing me it, I'll download
> it, thanks.

I sent it, but it bounced. It's only a tiny file though and there's no need
to unpack it (it's a Winzip file) either, just drop the file into your
movies folder (assuming you have one of course), then click the exe.

Beav

Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <10ua5276vlf2c80@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
>
> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1c4e672a7247d68989ab2@News.individual.net ...
> > In article <10u8juck81f83e8@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
> >>
> >> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.1c4def14f709d5ab989a68@News.individual.ne t...
> >> > In article <10u7lsrkhrt08bc@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
> >> >>
> >> >> "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:34g6u7F4b6nilU1@individual.net...
> >> >> > This is slightly embarrasing.
> >> >> > OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there.
> >> >> > They
> >> >> > are
> >> >> > split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They have
> >> >> > endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now! I
> >> >> > thought
> >> >> > winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
> >> >>
> >> >> You put them back together using an app called "HS split" Google for
> >> >> it.
> >> >
> >> > Google just rants on about High Schools splitting up ... download.com
> >> > doesn't seem to have it either (did a search) ... where does one get it
> >> > from?
> >>
> >> I dropped a bollock too, it's HJSplit
> >>
> >> TC :)
> >
> > Ah right; in that case don't worry about emailing me it, I'll download
> > it, thanks.
>
> I sent it, but it bounced.

It did? I wonder why.

I downloaded it anyway, but cheers for sending it.
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

Catman

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Bear wrote:

> In article <aX4Fd.618314$lR6.96891@news.easynews.com>, Catman says...
>> Beav wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:PLXEd.518$EM3.301@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
>> >> Beav wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>> >>> news:0nWEd.218$0G6.213@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>> >>> > Catman wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> 2) Take one whole movie and run hj / mastersplit to create lots of
>> >>> >> small files. Compress each one with win.rar, then up load. That
>> >>> >> will require both winrar and mastersplitter to get the movie out.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > How bizarre.
>> >>>
>> >>> Not even SLIGHTLY bizzare, in fact quite the opposite. It's called
>> >>> bandwidth saving.
>> >>
>> >> How does that save more bandwidth than splitting the RAR, exactly?
>> >
>> > Because the files are smaller.
>>
>> Don't think they are you know. TBH I'm really not sure why posters do
>> it, but it's their call.
>
> Why they split them, you mean?
>
> I know the answer to that one, but you might mean something else.

More specifically why split them *then* rar them as oppsoed to just rar them
into xMB sections.

Of course, if you're going to use smart par as well, then it might make a
bit morse sense.

Go on, what's your answer?
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Bear

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

In article <Kv9Fd.630577$lR6.98611@news.easynews.com>, Catman says...
> Bear wrote:

> > I know the answer to that one, but you might mean something else.
>
> More specifically why split them *then* rar them as oppsoed to just rar them
> into xMB sections.
>
> Of course, if you're going to use smart par as well, then it might make a
> bit morse sense.
>
> Go on, what's your answer?

Oh right, I thought you meant why split them at all.

I'm wibbleflipdibbledoo'ing myself on the rest.
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Catman

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Bear wrote:

> In article <Kv9Fd.630577$lR6.98611@news.easynews.com>, Catman says...
>> Bear wrote:
>
>> > I know the answer to that one, but you might mean something else.
>>
>> More specifically why split them *then* rar them as oppsoed to just rar
>> them into xMB sections.
>>
>> Of course, if you're going to use smart par as well, then it might make a
>> bit morse sense.
>>
>> Go on, what's your answer?
>
> Oh right, I thought you meant why split them at all.

Nah. That's been done since the year dot.

> I'm wibbleflipdibbledoo'ing myself on the rest.

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MikeH

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Catman wrote:
> Bear wrote:
>
>>I'm wibbleflipdibbledoo'ing myself on the rest.
>
>
> <fx: stands, open mouthed, with admiration ;)>

I'd close your mouth before he finishes.

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Catman

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

MikeH wrote:

> Catman wrote:
>> Bear wrote:
>>
>>>I'm wibbleflipdibbledoo'ing myself on the rest.
>>
>>
>> <fx: stands, open mouthed, with admiration ;)>
>
> I'd close your mouth before he finishes.
>
Nah, I might need to vomit through it again in a minute :(
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Preston Kemp

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Beav wrote:

>
> "Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> news:x5_Ed.1535$yM6.840@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> > Beav wrote:
> >> >> Not even SLIGHTLY bizzare, in fact quite the opposite. It's
> called >> >> bandwidth saving.
> >> >
> >> > How does that save more bandwidth than splitting the RAR,
> exactly?
> > >
> >> Because the files are smaller.
> >
> > I don't see why splitting then RARing would result in smaller files
> > than RARing then splitting, unless Mastersplit also compresses them
> > - in which case why bother RARing in the first place. But I'll take
> > your word for it.
>
> Splitting them is done so that posters can get them online in
> sections, thereby eliminating the need to re-post the whole movie
> (maybe 350meg) if a line or part is missing.

Yersh, that I know. The bit I don't know is why anyone would bother
when you can just tell WinRAR to output the file in n MB chunks,
achieving the same result. Why go through the extra hassle of splitting
the avi or whatever into multiple parts first & RARing each part
separately? Unless it's a throwback to before WinRAR could do such
things, & people are set in their ways.

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Catman

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Preston Kemp wrote:

> Beav wrote:
>
>>
>> "Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:x5_Ed.1535$yM6.840@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> > Beav wrote:
>> >> >> Not even SLIGHTLY bizzare, in fact quite the opposite. It's
>> called >> >> bandwidth saving.
>> >> >
>> >> > How does that save more bandwidth than splitting the RAR,
>> exactly?
>> > >
>> >> Because the files are smaller.
>> >
>> > I don't see why splitting then RARing would result in smaller files
>> > than RARing then splitting, unless Mastersplit also compresses them
>> > - in which case why bother RARing in the first place. But I'll take
>> > your word for it.
>>
>> Splitting them is done so that posters can get them online in
>> sections, thereby eliminating the need to re-post the whole movie
>> (maybe 350meg) if a line or part is missing.
>
> Yersh, that I know. The bit I don't know is why anyone would bother
> when you can just tell WinRAR to output the file in n MB chunks,
> achieving the same result. Why go through the extra hassle of splitting
> the avi or whatever into multiple parts first & RARing each part
> separately? Unless it's a throwback to before WinRAR could do such
> things, & people are set in their ways.
>
>
Win rar's been able to do that since before I was using usenet to leech
stuff. And that was long enough ago.
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Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:ylbFd.172$QV5.91@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
> Beav wrote:
>
>>
>> "Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:x5_Ed.1535$yM6.840@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> > Beav wrote:
>> >> >> Not even SLIGHTLY bizzare, in fact quite the opposite. It's
>> called >> >> bandwidth saving.
>> >> >
>> >> > How does that save more bandwidth than splitting the RAR,
>> exactly?
>> > >
>> >> Because the files are smaller.
>> >
>> > I don't see why splitting then RARing would result in smaller files
>> > than RARing then splitting, unless Mastersplit also compresses them
>> > - in which case why bother RARing in the first place. But I'll take
>> > your word for it.
>>
>> Splitting them is done so that posters can get them online in
>> sections, thereby eliminating the need to re-post the whole movie
>> (maybe 350meg) if a line or part is missing.
>
> Yersh, that I know. The bit I don't know is why anyone would bother
> when you can just tell WinRAR to output the file in n MB chunks,
> achieving the same result.

Because (usually) prior ro rar packing, they "Yenc" the file which is
actually the only way to save bandwidth. A (say) 616k line only contains
around 460k of useful (movie) info, but Yenc'd file of 616k gives over 500k
up for the same bandwidth usage, so the heavy posters tend to compress using
Yenc, then rar (presumable for the fun of it). Granted some vids will be
simply rar'd allowing a simple unrar session to result in a complete
viewable movie, but it takes up more bandwidth and the bandwidth cops are
worse than the Apostr'phe' police on here.

Why go through the extra hassle of splitting
> the avi or whatever into multiple parts first & RARing each part
> separately? Unless it's a throwback to before WinRAR could do such
> things, & people are set in their ways.

Well there are those who won't change for sure, but there's usually another
reason too and one of them seems to be that users of Micro's Outlook Express
can only combine and decode up to 500 lines, so the file splitting negated
that problem. Add in Yencing which allows for more compression and you get a
large movie that's manageable. Maybe there are those who think that doing
both saves a bit more space, I dunno, but Yenc'd rar'e and split files are
becoming the norm more and more so having HJSplit on the puter isn't a bad
idea anyway, specially as it's less than 200k in size.

It's also possible that someone who's split a file into sections has heard
that rar files are good too, so did them both, but who knows what goes on
inside thur 'eads? All I know is the when a file is split into sections 001,
002, 003 etc, you're going to need HJSplit to re-join 'em, even if they've
been rar'd.

Beav

Catman

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Beav wrote:

>
> "Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ylbFd.172$QV5.91@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>> Beav wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Preston Kemp" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:x5_Ed.1535$yM6.840@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>>> > Beav wrote:
>>> >> >> Not even SLIGHTLY bizzare, in fact quite the opposite. It's
>>> called >> >> bandwidth saving.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > How does that save more bandwidth than splitting the RAR,
>>> exactly?
>>> > >
>>> >> Because the files are smaller.
>>> >
>>> > I don't see why splitting then RARing would result in smaller files
>>> > than RARing then splitting, unless Mastersplit also compresses them
>>> > - in which case why bother RARing in the first place. But I'll take
>>> > your word for it.
>>>
>>> Splitting them is done so that posters can get them online in
>>> sections, thereby eliminating the need to re-post the whole movie
>>> (maybe 350meg) if a line or part is missing.
>>
>> Yersh, that I know. The bit I don't know is why anyone would bother
>> when you can just tell WinRAR to output the file in n MB chunks,
>> achieving the same result.
>
>
> Because (usually) prior ro rar packing, they "Yenc" the file which is
> actually the only way to save bandwidth

Are you *sure* about that? I was under the impression that yenc was a
coding format, like MIME. Ergo it happened when the file is psoted, not as
a separate operation before. ISTBC of course.
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01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c4f26b0d747103a98a0b8@news.zen.co.uk...
> In article <10ua5276vlf2c80@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
>>
>> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1c4e672a7247d68989ab2@News.individual.net ...
>> > In article <10u8juck81f83e8@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
>> >>
>> >> "Bear" <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:MPG.1c4def14f709d5ab989a68@News.individual.ne t...
>> >> > In article <10u7lsrkhrt08bc@news.supernews.com>, Beav says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:34g6u7F4b6nilU1@individual.net...
>> >> >> > This is slightly embarrasing.
>> >> >> > OK so we have supernews access. There are decent films on there.
>> >> >> > They
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > split up into lots of bits. Grabit gets them down for me. They
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > endings like .001 .002 etc. What the **** do I do with them now!
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > thought
>> >> >> > winrar would put it back together. Seems not.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You put them back together using an app called "HS split" Google
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Google just rants on about High Schools splitting up ...
>> >> > download.com
>> >> > doesn't seem to have it either (did a search) ... where does one get
>> >> > it
>> >> > from?
>> >>
>> >> I dropped a bollock too, it's HJSplit
>> >>
>> >> TC :)
>> >
>> > Ah right; in that case don't worry about emailing me it, I'll download
>> > it, thanks.
>>
>> I sent it, but it bounced.
>
> It did? I wonder why.

Coz I'm a knobhead and simply did a "Reply to" instead of checking first.
>
> I downloaded it anyway, but cheers for sending it.

No probs.

Beav

Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Catman" <catman@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:DtcFd.638198$lR6.95413@news.easynews.com...

>>
>> Because (usually) prior ro rar packing, they "Yenc" the file which is
>> actually the only way to save bandwidth
>
>
> Are you *sure* about that? I was under the impression that yenc was a
> coding format, like MIME. Ergo it happened when the file is psoted, not
> as
> a separate operation before. ISTBC of course.

I'm never 100% sure about anything:)

Probably a wrong choice of explanation. Should be "prior to Yencing, they
Rar the files" (although it's still the Yenc encoding that saves space). The
result is pretty much the same though, a downloaded file needs working on at
three levels if the grabber uses Outlook. Combine and decode, which results
in what looks like garbage, Y-decode and Unrar IF you're lucky. If you're
not, then it's HJSPlit too.

Beav

Catman

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Beav wrote:

>
> "Catman" <catman@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:DtcFd.638198$lR6.95413@news.easynews.com...
>
>>>
>>> Because (usually) prior ro rar packing, they "Yenc" the file which is
>>> actually the only way to save bandwidth
>>
>>
>> Are you *sure* about that? I was under the impression that yenc was a
>> coding format, like MIME. Ergo it happened when the file is psoted, not
>> as
>> a separate operation before. ISTBC of course.
>
> I'm never 100% sure about anything:)
>
> Probably a wrong choice of explanation. Should be "prior to Yencing, they
> Rar the files" (although it's still the Yenc encoding that saves space).

Erm. You seem to be saying that a rared (compressed) file takes up the same
space (and therefore is as big to upload / download) as a non-rared file.
This is almost certianly not true. While there may be overheads that I'm
not aware of, uploading a smaller (rared) file to the 'net will almost
certainly save bandwidth. In the same way that requires less data to
download a sipped file from a website.

Yenc saves additinal bandwidth

> The result is pretty much the same though, a downloaded file needs working
> on at three levels if the grabber uses Outlook. Combine and decode, which
> results in what looks like garbage, Y-decode

Ah *ha* That's cos Outlook (again, this may have been superceded but what
you're saying bears me out) dunt support yenc encoding. If you used (for
example) Agent or News Reaper, then the yenc decoding is totally
transparent to the end user, In fact I didn't even notice when yenc
started being used IIRC

> and Unrar IF you're lucky. If
> you're not, then it's HJSPlit too.
>
In short mate, I still *think* you're wrong, and there is no real reason to
rar into segments *and* split. OTOH I'm not gonn moan as long as the good
posters keep up the good work.

This
http://www.yenc.org/whatis.htm

may help what I'm ****ing up explaining.

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Beav

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

"Catman" <catman@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:azCFd.710462$2W1.57185@news.easynews.com...
> Beav wrote:
>
>>
>> "Catman" <catman@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:DtcFd.638198$lR6.95413@news.easynews.com...
>>
>>>>
>>>> Because (usually) prior ro rar packing, they "Yenc" the file which is
>>>> actually the only way to save bandwidth
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you *sure* about that? I was under the impression that yenc was a
>>> coding format, like MIME. Ergo it happened when the file is psoted, not
>>> as
>>> a separate operation before. ISTBC of course.
>>
>> I'm never 100% sure about anything:)
>>
>> Probably a wrong choice of explanation. Should be "prior to Yencing, they
>> Rar the files" (although it's still the Yenc encoding that saves space).
>
> Erm. You seem to be saying that a rared (compressed) file takes up the
> same
> space (and therefore is as big to upload / download) as a non-rared file.

No, just that the Yenc'd file takes up less space than any other. Raring and
Yencing uses even less space.

> This is almost certianly not true. While there may be overheads that I'm
> not aware of, uploading a smaller (rared) file to the 'net will almost
> certainly save bandwidth.

Yeah, roughly half the original file size, but Yenc the rar'd file and
really big files become manageable.

In the same way that requires less data to
> download a sipped file from a website.
>
> Yenc saves additinal bandwidth
>
>> The result is pretty much the same though, a downloaded file needs
>> working
>> on at three levels if the grabber uses Outlook. Combine and decode, which
>> results in what looks like garbage, Y-decode
>
> Ah *ha* That's cos Outlook (again, this may have been superceded but what
> you're saying bears me out) dunt support yenc encoding.

Correct it doesn't and it probably never will given the length of time Yenc
has been popular now.

If you used (for
> example) Agent or News Reaper, then the yenc decoding is totally
> transparent to the end user, In fact I didn't even notice when yenc
> started being used IIRC

Correct on that too, but there are plenty of folk who still use only OE,
which is a particularly bad idea IMO. OE is fine for text based stuff, but
it's crap for binaries but even then, anything CAN be done with OE, it just
requires a bit of fiddling with.
>
>
>> and Unrar IF you're lucky. If
>> you're not, then it's HJSPlit too.
>>
> In short mate, I still *think* you're wrong, and there is no real reason
> to
> rar into segments *and* split.

That's a distinct possibility, but if a file HAS been split before raring,
(and there are thousands that have) then it'll still need a joiner to get it
viewable.

OTOH I'm not gonn moan as long as the good
> posters keep up the good work.

Well precisely.

>
> This
> http://www.yenc.org/whatis.htm
>
> may help what I'm ****ing up explaining.

I'm completey with you on your explanation, but I'm thinking back to the
original posters (Hog) and his problem. He'd downloaded a Rar file (I think
it was) but even after unraring, he still couldn't view the file because
it'd been split using another app. "This" all kicked off because I said
HJSplit would rejoint the parts, at which point A.N. Other poster had the
idea I was speaking balderdash. Maybe if Hog is still keeping an eye on this
thread, he'd like to enlighten us as to the final outcome. Did Rar do it all
on it's own, or did HJSplit sort the problem?

Beav

Catman

01-21-2005, 03:59 AM

Beav wrote:

>
> "Catman" <catman@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:azCFd.710462$2W1.57185@news.easynews.com...
>> Beav wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Catman" <catman@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:DtcFd.638198$lR6.95413@news.easynews.com...
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Because (usually) prior ro rar packing, they "Yenc" the file which is
>>>>> actually the only way to save bandwidth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you *sure* about that? I was under the impression that yenc was a
>>>> coding format, like MIME. Ergo it happened when the file is psoted,
>>>> not as
>>>> a separate operation before. ISTBC of course.
>>>
>>> I'm never 100% sure about anything:)
>>>
>>> Probably a wrong choice of explanation. Should be "prior to Yencing,
>>> they Rar the files" (although it's still the Yenc encoding that saves
>>> space).
>>
>> Erm. You seem to be saying that a rared (compressed) file takes up the
>> same
>> space (and therefore is as big to upload / download) as a non-rared file.
>
> No, just that the Yenc'd file takes up less space than any other. Raring
> and Yencing uses even less space.

I don't see how there can be a yenced 'file'. The whole point AIUI of
encoding is to convert a binary file into something that news / mail
protocols can handle, ie a stream of ASCII characters. It's nto a file
that you can copy, paste or save I think.

>> This is almost certianly not true. While there may be overheads that I'm
>> not aware of, uploading a smaller (rared) file to the 'net will almost
>> certainly save bandwidth.
>
> Yeah, roughly half the original file size, but Yenc the rar'd file and
> really big files become manageable.

Yers. I see what you're getting at, but I reckon that no posters actively
yenc their stuff first. It's handled by the posting programe, so ceases to
be an issue / separate operation.

I think one of us is still a bit confused (and it might well be me) but it's
not hugely important either way :)

> In the same way that requires less data to
>> download a sipped file from a website.
>>
>> Yenc saves additinal bandwidth
>>
>>> The result is pretty much the same though, a downloaded file needs
>>> working
>>> on at three levels if the grabber uses Outlook. Combine and decode,
>>> which results in what looks like garbage, Y-decode
>>
>> Ah *ha* That's cos Outlook (again, this may have been superceded but
>> what you're saying bears me out) dunt support yenc encoding.
>
> Correct it doesn't and it probably never will given the length of time
> Yenc has been popular now.
>
> If you used (for
>> example) Agent or News Reaper, then the yenc decoding is totally
>> transparent to the end user, In fact I didn't even notice when yenc
>> started being used IIRC
>
> Correct on that too, but there are plenty of folk who still use only OE,
> which is a particularly bad idea IMO. OE is fine for text based stuff, but
> it's crap for binaries but even then, anything CAN be done with OE, it
> just requires a bit of fiddling with.

But usenet postings *are* text based, until you decode them, whatever coding
method you use. OE apart from all it's other faults is spectacularly bad a
decoding.

>>
>>
>>> and Unrar IF you're lucky. If
>>> you're not, then it's HJSPlit too.
>>>
>> In short mate, I still *think* you're wrong, and there is no real reason
>> to
>> rar into segments *and* split.
>
> That's a distinct possibility, but if a file HAS been split before raring,
> (and there are thousands that have) then it'll still need a joiner to get
> it viewable.

indeed so

> OTOH I'm not gonn moan as long as the good
>> posters keep up the good work.
>
> Well precisely.
>
>>
>> This
>> http://www.yenc.org/whatis.htm
>>
>> may help what I'm ****ing up explaining.
>
> I'm completey with you on your explanation,

one of us isn't. we still seem to disagree, but I probably could do with a
drink :)

> but I'm thinking back to the
> original posters (Hog) and his problem. He'd downloaded a Rar file (I
> think it was) but even after unraring, he still couldn't view the file
> because it'd been split using another app. "This" all kicked off because I
> said HJSplit would rejoint the parts, at which point A.N. Other poster had
> the idea I was speaking balderdash. Maybe if Hog is still keeping an eye
> on this thread, he'd like to enlighten us as to the final outcome. Did Rar
> do it all on it's own, or did HJSplit sort the problem?

seconded :)

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