Oh ****!

[mico]

Okay, it's a long story. I'll make it brief:

Clean license. 5 years no accidents, points, pulls etc.

This morning, pulled on M40 by car following for long time...

They had 114.5mph average speed reading (I was a bit relieved by that..)

They made no comment about my riding (I was riding at my best,
doing all my checks, indicating, shoulder checks etc. and adjusting
my high speed for changing traffic configurations and even using
the three lanes correctly, which is not always the case.)

They seemed a little sorry for me and explained they couldn't
realy ignore this.

So do you have any idea what I'll get for this? How big are the fines?
How long the bans? (I no longer need my bike for work..) Am I likely
to lose my license rather than just a ban?

Or just points? Lots of 'em..

Will I have to go to court!?


Well, I hope some of you can help me with this.

But it's not over....

<takes deep breath>

Coming into Oxford at my journeys end...I got pulled by
a frigging bike cop at the bottom of a steep clear hill!!!
He said the camera had me at 37mph in the 30, said I should
be setting an example, and let me go.
(This means I'm now really screwed, right?)

I don't fecking believe it!!!!!!

mico
ThunderCat (for sale?)

[Pip]

mic@tazm.org (mico) struggled to ejaculate:

>This morning, pulled on M40 by car following for long time...

Well now, that's down to you - if a car is keeping pace with you you
should be aware of it and either vary pace to check, **** off before
they get your plate or more probably, drop it to approaching the limit
and wait for the pull - "a long time" ... oh, dear.
>
>They had 114.5mph average speed reading (I was a bit relieved by that..)

Relieved? ****. That's ban territory, that is - three months
minimum, prolly six IWT.

>They seemed a little sorry for me and explained they couldn't
>realy ignore this.

I'm not surprised they couldn't ignore it. Always aim to be the
*second*-fastest vehicle on the road ...
>
>So do you have any idea what I'll get for this? How big are the fines?
>How long the bans? (I no longer need my bike for work..) Am I likely
>to lose my license rather than just a ban?

Lose licence/ban - that's the same thing, right? If you have had your
licence for less than two years you'll have to retake your test once
you've served out your ban, I believe.
>
>Or just points? Lots of 'em..

Naah. Ban and no points, I reckon: which may actually work out better
in the long term, funnily enough - at least you won't be carrying
round a shedload of points for three years.
>
>Will I have to go to court!?

Aye. Take your licence and a big tub of lube.

>Coming into Oxford at my journeys end...I got pulled by
>a frigging bike cop at the bottom of a steep clear hill!!!
>He said the camera had me at 37mph in the 30, said I should
>be setting an example, and let me go.
>(This means I'm now really screwed, right?)

I'd say so. Did the bike cop say that a prosecution would follow?

>ThunderCat (for sale?)

That sounds wise. Go to court, fess up, look contrite and say you've
sold the hellish machine that led you astray and hope they don't put
you in Block D with Big Bernie.

--
Pip, Ex - Hairy Gfedcker. RF 900RR, Ruff and Rattly.
WS* DFWAG#0 IbW#27* DIAABTCOD#15 GP#0 EKP FUB#4 MKA+E#3
ANORAK#8 MIRTTH#15 BOTAFOT/F#47/34a BONY#13 KotMIB# <space>
UKRMRM#14 TWA#2 BOMB#0

[Whinging Courier]

In uk.rec.motorcycles, mico wrote:

> So do you have any idea what I'll get for this? How big are the fines?
> How long the bans? (I no longer need my bike for work..) Am I likely
> to lose my license rather than just a ban?

Same thing isn't it? You can't drive/ride, that's for sure.

> Or just points? Lots of 'em..

I got six points for doing over the ton on a motorway. I had six points
already and led to a 6 month disqual.

> Will I have to go to court!?

If they are considering a ban, yes.

Did they caution you, you know, "you have the right to remain silent"
and all that? If they did then they've got 6 months to get the NIP to
you.
>
>
> Well, I hope some of you can help me with this.
>
> But it's not over....
>
> <takes deep breath>
>
> Coming into Oxford at my journeys end...I got pulled by
> a frigging bike cop at the bottom of a steep clear hill!!!
> He said the camera had me at 37mph in the 30, said I should
> be setting an example, and let me go.
> (This means I'm now really screwed, right?)
>
> I don't fecking believe it!!!!!!

He let you go. What's the problem?

--
CBR1000 - Work in progress
BOMB#14 ibW#40

[Champ]

On 12 Jan 2005 03:32:11 -0800, mic@tazm.org (mico) wrote:

>So do you have any idea what I'll get for this? How big are the fines?
>How long the bans?

<places bet> 28 days, 400 quid, plus costs

>Am I likely to lose my license rather than just a ban?

Er - the "losing your license" and "being banned" are synonymous.

>Or just points? Lots of 'em..

This would only happen if you could demonstrate that you would suffer
severe and unreasonable hardship if you were banned (i.e. you'd lose
your job).

>Will I have to go to court!?

Yes

There's a chance the beak might want to throw more than 28 days at
you, so it's worth getting a brief in, if you can afford it (mine cost
about 150 quid and it was worth every ****ing penny).

>Coming into Oxford at my journeys end...I got pulled by
>a frigging bike cop at the bottom of a steep clear hill!!!
>He said the camera had me at 37mph in the 30, said I should
>be setting an example, and let me go.
>(This means I'm now really screwed, right?)

He let you go, it's a different copper, so it has no impact at all.

With luck it'll come to court soon, and you'll have your ban served
before spring is properly started.

--
Please add "imo" to above post.
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

[Doesnotcompute]

Mic said:

>This morning, pulled on M40 by car following for long time...

Doh! Where abouts? which direction? what car?

>Will I have to go to court!?

almost certainly, but someone more knowledgeable will be along shortly.

>He said the camera had me at 37mph in the 30,

Fair play, at least you're consistant!

>said I should be setting an example, and let me go.

Let you go as in, didn't book you for it?

>(This means I'm now really screwed, right?)

well, if he let you go, then no, just the motorway incident to deal with.
If you got booked for both, then it'll certainly be interesting.

--
Dnc

[darsy]

mico wrote:
> Okay, it's a long story. I'll make it brief:
>
> Clean license. 5 years no accidents, points, pulls etc.
>
> This morning, pulled on M40 by car following for long time...
>
> They had 114.5mph average speed reading (I was a bit relieved by
that..)

you're going to get a ban (this is the same as losing your licence).
Probably just a ban and a fine, and no points.

I'd get a solicitor to help you minimise the length of the ban/size of
the fine.

I'd also sell the bike, and tell them in court that you've done so.
--
d.

[sweller]

Champ wrote:

> > Am I likely to lose my license rather than just a ban?
>
> Er - the "losing your license" and "being banned" are synonymous.

I read it as "being forced to take a retest" and "being temporarily
without permission to use a motor vehicle"

....but I could be being generous.

--
Simon

http://www.sweller.co.uk/sob/

[wessie]

Champ emerged from their own little world to say

> On 12 Jan 2005 03:32:11 -0800, mic@tazm.org (mico) wrote:
>
>>So do you have any idea what I'll get for this? How big are the fines?
>>How long the bans?
>
> <places bet> 28 days, 400 quid, plus costs
>
>>Am I likely to lose my license rather than just a ban?
>
> Er - the "losing your license" and "being banned" are synonymous.
>

Are they?

I interpreted "losing your licence" as a permanent thing requiring a retest
rather "than just a ban" which would be a temporary suspension of the
licence. The OP seems resigned to a ban and is asking if the court will
require a retest.

Pip answered this question with reference to the 2 year probation period
for new riders. This would be a mandatory requirement to take a new test.
IIRC a magistrate has the *option* to insist a new test is passed in many
more circumstances.

--
BMW R1150GS

[dwb]

darsy wrote:
>
> you're going to get a ban (this is the same as losing your licence).
> Probably just a ban and a fine, and no points.

I reckon it'll be worse than that - average speed of 115? 65% over the
limit?

> I'd get a solicitor to help you minimise the length of the ban/size of
> the fine.
>
> I'd also sell the bike, and tell them in court that you've done so.

That sounds wise - crap time of the year to sell though...

[wessie]

dwb emerged from their own little world to say

> darsy wrote:
>>
>> you're going to get a ban (this is the same as losing your licence).
>> Probably just a ban and a fine, and no points.
>
> I reckon it'll be worse than that - average speed of 115? 65% over the
> limit?
>
>> I'd get a solicitor to help you minimise the length of the ban/size of
>> the fine.
>>
>> I'd also sell the bike, and tell them in court that you've done so.
>
> That sounds wise - crap time of the year to sell though...
>
>
>
>
>

could just change the name & address of the registered keeper

--
BMW R1150GS

[Ace]

On 12 Jan 2005 12:15:32 GMT, wessie <putmynamehere@tesco.net> wrote:

>Champ emerged from their own little world to say

>> Er - the "losing your license" and "being banned" are synonymous.
>>
>
>Are they?
>
>I interpreted "losing your licence" as a permanent thing requiring a retest
>rather "than just a ban" which would be a temporary suspension of the
>licence. The OP seems resigned to a ban and is asking if the court will
>require a retest.
>
>Pip answered this question with reference to the 2 year probation period
>for new riders. This would be a mandatory requirement to take a new test.
>IIRC a magistrate has the *option* to insist a new test is passed in many
>more circumstances.

I think the automatic retest is only required if you have two
convictions within the first two years. Not that this starts from
passing a test, whether it be car or bike, and is not separated for
each, i.e. if you've had a car licence for years then pass the bike
test, you don't need to worry about it.

As for a court-imposed retest, well yes, this _can_ be ordered, but is
not commonly used for speeding offences. A careless/reckless charge
might tempt a court to order this; dangerous makes it much more
likely, and it's automatic for some more severe offences and/or if
you're banned for longer than a certain period (five years, I
believe).

--
Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom)
GSX-R1000K3
BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2

[Ace]

On 12 Jan 2005 12:15:32 GMT, wessie <putmynamehere@tesco.net> wrote:

>Champ emerged from their own little world to say

>> Er - the "losing your license" and "being banned" are synonymous.
>>
>
>Are they?
>
>I interpreted "losing your licence" as a permanent thing requiring a retest
>rather "than just a ban" which would be a temporary suspension of the
>licence. The OP seems resigned to a ban and is asking if the court will
>require a retest.
>
>Pip answered this question with reference to the 2 year probation period
>for new riders. This would be a mandatory requirement to take a new test.
>IIRC a magistrate has the *option* to insist a new test is passed in many
>more circumstances.

I think the automatic retest is only required if you have two
convictions within the first two years. Note that this starts from
passing a test, whether it be car or bike, and is not separated for
each, i.e. if you've had a car licence for years then pass the bike
test, you don't need to worry about it.

As for a court-imposed retest, well yes, this _can_ be ordered, but is
not commonly used for speeding offences. A careless/reckless charge
might tempt a court to order this; dangerous makes it much more
likely, and it's automatic for some more severe offences and/or if
you're banned for longer than a certain period (five years, I
believe).

--
Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom)
GSX-R1000K3
BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2

[Champ]

On 12 Jan 2005 12:15:32 GMT, wessie <putmynamehere@tesco.net> wrote:

>Champ emerged from their own little world to say
>
>> On 12 Jan 2005 03:32:11 -0800, mic@tazm.org (mico) wrote:
>>
>>>So do you have any idea what I'll get for this? How big are the fines?
>>>How long the bans?
>>
>> <places bet> 28 days, 400 quid, plus costs
>>
>>>Am I likely to lose my license rather than just a ban?
>>
>> Er - the "losing your license" and "being banned" are synonymous.
>>
>
>Are they?
>
>I interpreted "losing your licence" as a permanent thing requiring a retest
>rather "than just a ban" which would be a temporary suspension of the
>licence. The OP seems resigned to a ban and is asking if the court will
>require a retest.

I've never heard the phrase "lose your license" used to mean that a
re-test is required. IME, that's always explicitly stated e.g.
"banned for driving for two years with a mandatory re-test".

>Pip answered this question with reference to the 2 year probation period
>for new riders. This would be a mandatory requirement to take a new test.
>IIRC a magistrate has the *option* to insist a new test is passed in many
>more circumstances.

I had forgotten about this latest gem (can anyone explain the
justification?).
--
Please add "imo" to above post.
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

[Bear]

In article <3p6au0l87d0uica5ttaiv0gomgtgr32mb4@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> On 12 Jan 2005 12:15:32 GMT, wessie <putmynamehere@tesco.net> wrote:

> >Pip answered this question with reference to the 2 year probation period
> >for new riders. This would be a mandatory requirement to take a new test.
> >IIRC a magistrate has the *option* to insist a new test is passed in many
> >more circumstances.
>
> I had forgotten about this latest gem (can anyone explain the
> justification?).

The 2 year thing? I think the idea is that, if you "get into good
habits" and keep to speed limits for fear of being retested, you'll be a
good little citizen all your life.

Odd, eh? :)
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

[Champ]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:26:53 -0000, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
wrote:

>darsy wrote:
>>
>> you're going to get a ban (this is the same as losing your licence).
>> Probably just a ban and a fine, and no points.
>
>I reckon it'll be worse than that - average speed of 115? 65% over the
>limit?

Worse in what way? IME, if you're banned for speeding, the
variability is in the length of the bad and the size of the fine.
--
Please add "imo" to above post.
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

[TOG@toil, chateau.murray@btinternet.com,]

Pip wrote:

<snip>>

> Lose licence/ban - that's the same thing, right? If you have had
your
> licence for less than two years you'll have to retake your test once
> you've served out your ban, I believe.
> >

If you're ordered to sit a re-test, I *think* you have to re-sit *all*
your tests. This can be a right bugger if you've got a car entitlement
as well or, dear God, car and HGV or PSV. A simple ban is a simple ban,
but I have a nasty feeling that having your licence properly shredded,
as it were, is a real bitch. SWK???? JP???

>
> Naah. Ban and no points, I reckon: which may actually work out
better
> in the long term, funnily enough - at least you won't be carrying
> round a shedload of points for three years.
> >

Indeed. When I got banned (admittedly a long time ago) for my first
offence, it was a simple ban and no pnts, leaving me free to start
racking them up. The only awkward thing was having to explain to
insurance companies how I managed to get a ban for a simple SP30
without totting-up, but as they took the court code and not the
punishment when assessing premiums, it made no difference (inscos
ignore one and sometimes even two speeding offences, as you know).

[Ace]

On 12 Jan 2005 05:09:24 -0800, TOG@toil,
chateau.murray@btinternet.com, <chateau.murray@btinternet.com> wrote:

>Pip wrote:
>
><snip>>
>
>> Lose licence/ban - that's the same thing, right? If you have had
>your
>> licence for less than two years you'll have to retake your test once
>> you've served out your ban, I believe.
>> >
>
>If you're ordered to sit a re-test, I *think* you have to re-sit *all*
>your tests.

Correct.

>This can be a right bugger if you've got a car entitlement
>as well or, dear God, car and HGV or PSV. A simple ban is a simple ban,
>but I have a nasty feeling that having your licence properly shredded,
>as it were, is a real bitch. SWK???? JP???

Well, as you say, you have to start from a blank sheet, including
theory(s), CBT and all required tests for all classes you had before.
Oddly enough, though, once you've redone said tests, the 'date passed'
is still the original, not the retest, date.

And yes, in this case, I am SWK.
--
Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom)
GSX-R1000K3
BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2

[AndrewR]

Champ wrote:

> Worse in what way? IME, if you're banned for speeding, the
> variability is in the length of the bad and the size of the fine.

Yes, after all ...

<Audience chimes in>

.... YOU CAN'T BE IMPRISONED FOR SPEEDING!

--
AndrewR, D.Bot (Celeritas)
Kawasaki ZX-6R J1, Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo
BOTAFOT#2,ITJWTFO#6,UKRMRM#1/13a,MCT#1,DFV#2,SKoGA#0 (and KotL)
BotToS#5,SBS#25,IbW#34, DS#5, COSOC# Suspended, KotTFSTR#
The speccy Geordie twat.

['Hog]

"darsy" <darsyx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1105530933.941484.319400@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...

> I'd also sell the bike, and tell them in court that you've done so.

Good plan, let the Beak know you have given up this socially damaging
murderous pastime. Maybe even say you plan to buy a Volvo on regaining
your licence.

'Hog

[steve auvache]

Pip wrote
>mic@tazm.org (mico) struggled to ejaculate:
>
>>This morning, pulled on M40 by car following for long time...
>
>Well now, that's down to you - if a car is keeping pace with you you
>should be aware of it and either vary pace to check, **** off before
>they get your plate or more probably, drop it to approaching the limit
>and wait for the pull - "a long time" ... oh, dear.


Ho yuss.

No point in having mirrors it you don't use the information they
provide.



--
steve auvache
MZ TS150: for sale still.
Bandit 600

[steve auvache]

wrote
> SP30

>without totting-up, but as they took the court code and not the
>punishment when assessing premiums, it made no difference (inscos
>ignore one and sometimes even two speeding offences, as you know).

As one of the vanishing small and getting smaller by the minute
percentage of road users without any points I think this is ****ing
unfair. I don't see why I should have to shell out subsidies for you
bunch of speed obsessed hooligans when my observation skills (luck) are
demonstrably better.


--
steve auvache
MZ TS150: for sale still.
Bandit 600

[Bear]

In article <G06dhjAcVS5BFw0B@thecow.me.uk>, steve auvache says...
> wrote
> > SP30
>
> >without totting-up, but as they took the court code and not the
> >punishment when assessing premiums, it made no difference (inscos
> >ignore one and sometimes even two speeding offences, as you know).
>
> As one of the vanishing small and getting smaller by the minute
> percentage of road users without any points I think this is ****ing
> unfair. I don't see why I should have to shell out subsidies for you
> bunch of speed obsessed hooligans when my observation skills (luck) are
> demonstrably better.

Hear hear [1]

[1] this is longest I think I've ever gone without *any* points ...
something bad's gonna happen soon ...
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

[mike. buckley]

In message <d57dd82f.0501120332.319c07a1@posting.google.com>, mico
<mic@tazm.org> writes
>Okay, it's a long story. I'll make it brief:
>
>Clean license. 5 years no accidents, points, pulls etc.
>
>This morning, pulled on M40 by car following for long time...
>
>They had 114.5mph average speed reading (I was a bit relieved by that..)
>
ouch!

>
>mico
>ThunderCat (for sale?)

How much?

--
Mike Buckley
RD350LC2
http://www.toastyhamster.org
BONY#38

[Catman]

steve auvache wrote:

> wrote
>> SP30
>
>>without totting-up, but as they took the court code and not the
>>punishment when assessing premiums, it made no difference (inscos
>>ignore one and sometimes even two speeding offences, as you know).
>
> As one of the vanishing small and getting smaller by the minute
> percentage of road users without any points I think this is ****ing
> unfair. I don't see why I should have to shell out subsidies for you
> bunch of speed obsessed hooligans when my observation skills (luck) are
> demonstrably better.
>
>
Waves in agreement
--
Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3
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Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 2.0 TS
Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits
www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk

[steve auvache]

Bear wrote
>In article <G06dhjAcVS5BFw0B@thecow.me.uk>, steve auvache says...
>> wrote
>> > SP30
>>
>> >without totting-up, but as they took the court code and not the
>> >punishment when assessing premiums, it made no difference (inscos
>> >ignore one and sometimes even two speeding offences, as you know).
>>
>> As one of the vanishing small and getting smaller by the minute
>> percentage of road users without any points I think this is ****ing
>> unfair. I don't see why I should have to shell out subsidies for you
>> bunch of speed obsessed hooligans when my observation skills (luck) are
>> demonstrably better.
>
>Hear hear [1]
>
>[1] this is longest I think I've ever gone without *any* points ...
>something bad's gonna happen soon ...

I just hope it is not my luck running out big time. Cos I have been
pushing it hard for years.


--
steve auvache
MZ TS150: for sale still.
Bandit 600

[mic@tazm.org]

Opening at £2500

'99 model, 28000 miles, rear shock original (bit bouncy now)
and down pipes started blowing.....<sigh>
Any offers ;O)

mico
DeThunderedCat

[MikeH]

steve auvache wrote:
>
> I just hope it is not my luck running out big time. Cos I have been
> pushing it hard for years.
>

You can *push* faster than NSL?

<impressed> :-)

--

Mike Hall
R1100S

[mic@tazm.org]

I don't have a car licence - just a bike one.

[dwb]

Champ wrote:

>> I reckon it'll be worse than that - average speed of 115? 65% over
>> the limit?
>
> Worse in what way? IME, if you're banned for speeding, the
> variability is in the length of the bad and the size of the fine.

Because, it seems to me, that people caught doing over the ton (and in this
case it's a fair bit over) are usually viewed in a very dim light.

Why I don't know considering doing 60mph in a 30mph is overall,I would
think, more likely to result in a mishap, but anyway.

Still at least it wasn't 156mph or whatever that guy on the Tingewick bypass
got jailed for.

[Ace]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:04:27 -0000, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>
>>> I reckon it'll be worse than that - average speed of 115? 65% over
>>> the limit?
>>
>> Worse in what way? IME, if you're banned for speeding, the
>> variability is in the length of the bad and the size of the fine.
>
>Because, it seems to me, that people caught doing over the ton (and in this
>case it's a fair bit over) are usually viewed in a very dim light.

Yes, but how could it be worse than a ban and a fine?

>Why I don't know considering doing 60mph in a 30mph is overall,I would
>think, more likely to result in a mishap, but anyway.
>
>Still at least it wasn't 156mph or whatever that guy on the Tingewick bypass
>got jailed for.

No. He. Didn't.

--
Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom)
GSX-R1000K3
BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2

[MikeH]

dwb wrote:
>
> Because, it seems to me, that people caught doing over the ton (and in this
> case it's a fair bit over) are usually viewed in a very dim light.
>

If it's a very dim light, they can't prove it was you.

--

Mike Hall
R1100S

[Bear]

In article <qLi44JAKwS5BFwS1@thecow.me.uk>, steve auvache says...
> Bear wrote
> >In article <G06dhjAcVS5BFw0B@thecow.me.uk>, steve auvache says...
> >> wrote
> >> > SP30
> >>
> >> >without totting-up, but as they took the court code and not the
> >> >punishment when assessing premiums, it made no difference (inscos
> >> >ignore one and sometimes even two speeding offences, as you know).
> >>
> >> As one of the vanishing small and getting smaller by the minute
> >> percentage of road users without any points I think this is ****ing
> >> unfair. I don't see why I should have to shell out subsidies for you
> >> bunch of speed obsessed hooligans when my observation skills (luck) are
> >> demonstrably better.
> >
> >Hear hear [1]
> >
> >[1] this is longest I think I've ever gone without *any* points ...
> >something bad's gonna happen soon ...
>
> I just hope it is not my luck running out big time. Cos I have been
> pushing it hard for years.

ATM my driving is almost all city-centre stuff, so I'm fairly safe as I
don't participate in the local Leeds sport of jumping red lights, but
those few times I have managed to get out for longer runs I'm going far
faster than is good for one's license ... last time out did Leeds -
Nigel's place in 2 hours, and South Wales - Leeds in 2 hours 28 mins,
which is basically doing 110-120 all the way, apart from a couple of
roadwork stretches ... this is plainly stupid in a car, as you can't
pull the "right, I'm ****ing off now" litrebike trick.
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

[steve auvache]

Catman wrote
>steve auvache wrote:
>
>> wrote
>>> SP30
>>
>>>without totting-up, but as they took the court code and not the
>>>punishment when assessing premiums, it made no difference (inscos
>>>ignore one and sometimes even two speeding offences, as you know).
>>
>> As one of the vanishing small and getting smaller by the minute
>> percentage of road users without any points I think this is ****ing
>> unfair. I don't see why I should have to shell out subsidies for you
>> bunch of speed obsessed hooligans when my observation skills (luck) are
>> demonstrably better.
>>
>>
>Waves in agreement


What with me being an ill educated lout I don't normally do literary
quotes so I tend to have to rely on using me own material but
occasionally there is one that seems right so I have to ask, how does it
go?

"We happy few, we band of heros"

--
steve auvache
MZ TS150: for sale still.
Bandit 600

[Champ]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:04:27 -0000, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>
>>> I reckon it'll be worse than that - average speed of 115? 65% over
>>> the limit?
>>
>> Worse in what way? IME, if you're banned for speeding, the
>> variability is in the length of the bad and the size of the fine.
>
>Because, it seems to me, that people caught doing over the ton (and in this
>case it's a fair bit over) are usually viewed in a very dim light.

You seem to have absolutely no capacity for logical reasoning. Are
you sure you're not a girl?

1. I said "He'll get x"
2. You said "I think it'll be worse"
3. I said "Worse in what way"
4. You said "because something or other"

Do you see the disconnect between 3 and 4?

So, I repeat, "In what way do you think the punishment will be worse"

>Why I don't know considering doing 60mph in a 30mph is overall,I would
>think, more likely to result in a mishap, but anyway.
>
>Still at least it wasn't 156mph or whatever that guy on the Tingewick bypass
>got jailed for.

That wasn't for speeding <spells it out> that was for dangerous
driving.

Note the the case in Scotland posted the other day (and in MCN today),
where an off-duty copper doing 136 got 12 month ban & 500 quid, where
biker doing 145 got 2 year bad and £5000 grand - the reason the biker
got the book thrown at him was because he pleaded guilty to dangerous
driving.
--
Please add "imo" to above post.
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

[steve auvache]

dwb wrote
>Champ wrote:
>
>>> I reckon it'll be worse than that - average speed of 115? 65% over
>>> the limit?
>>
>> Worse in what way? IME, if you're banned for speeding, the
>> variability is in the length of the bad and the size of the fine.
>
>Because, it seems to me, that people caught doing over the ton (and in this
>case it's a fair bit over) are usually viewed in a very dim light.

It really is a luck of the draw thing.

By simple happenstance, since the nation has become obsessed with speed
I have been riding bikes that are capable (to varying degrees) of
exceeding the ton and am want to ride them as fast as I ****ing can as
often as I ****ing can. At the same time the bikes have all been nekkid
and riding much over 90 is ****ing hard work on a nekkid bike. So, for
comfort's sake alone, I tend to max out at about 80/85 except for the
odd burst. I get away with it.

I suspect that if I had a faired bike I would by now be a member of the
larger set of idiots.


--
steve auvache
MZ TS150: for sale still.
Bandit 600

[Whinging Courier]

In uk.rec.motorcycles, steve auvache wrote:

> It really is a luck of the draw thing.
>
> By simple happenstance, since the nation has become obsessed with speed
> I have been riding bikes that are capable (to varying degrees) of
> exceeding the ton and am want to ride them as fast as I ****ing can as
> often as I ****ing can. At the same time the bikes have all been nekkid
> and riding much over 90 is ****ing hard work on a nekkid bike. So, for
> comfort's sake alone, I tend to max out at about 80/85 except for the
> odd burst. I get away with it.

My weakness is slip roads. I tend to do 85-90 on the motorway but on the
way there I usually cane it with everything it's got and can easily be
doing 150 plus when I get there.

That's how I got caught last time, albeit at an estimated 100mph.

> I suspect that if I had a faired bike I would by now be a member of the
> larger set of idiots.

Having a faired bike certainly makes going fast a lot easier.

--
CBR1000 - Work in progress
BOMB#14 ibW#40

[Catman]

steve auvache wrote:

> Catman wrote
>>steve auvache wrote:
>>
>>> wrote
>>>> SP30
>>>
>>>>without totting-up, but as they took the court code and not the
>>>>punishment when assessing premiums, it made no difference (inscos
>>>>ignore one and sometimes even two speeding offences, as you know).
>>>
>>> As one of the vanishing small and getting smaller by the minute
>>> percentage of road users without any points I think this is ****ing
>>> unfair. I don't see why I should have to shell out subsidies for you
>>> bunch of speed obsessed hooligans when my observation skills (luck) are
>>> demonstrably better.
>>>
>>>
>>Waves in agreement
>
>
> What with me being an ill educated lout I don't normally do literary
> quotes so I tend to have to rely on using me own material but
> occasionally there is one that seems right so I have to ask, how does it
> go?
>
> "We happy few, we band of heros"
>
We Few, We Happy Few, We Band of Brothers...For he who sheds his blood today
with me shall be my brother, be he ne'er so vile, this day shall gentle his
condition. . .

perhaps?

Henry V part something
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[Steph]

In article <34kp3dF4b5ek5U1@individual.net>, parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk
says...

> Because, it seems to me, that people caught doing over the ton (and in this
> case it's a fair bit over) are usually viewed in a very dim light.
>
> Why I don't know considering doing 60mph in a 30mph is overall,I would
> think, more likely to result in a mishap, but anyway.

I was always under the impression that 30mph+ over any mandatory speed
limit resulted in a ban.

Then again it's a long time since I studied the highway code etc. It's
over 11 years since I was instructing too, so things have probably
changed.

--
Steph
Feeling particularly ancient today.

[steve auvache]

Catman wrote
>steve auvache wrote:
>
>> Catman wrote
>>>steve auvache wrote:
>>>
>>>> wrote
>>>>> SP30
>>>>
>>>>>without totting-up, but as they took the court code and not the
>>>>>punishment when assessing premiums, it made no difference (inscos
>>>>>ignore one and sometimes even two speeding offences, as you know).
>>>>
>>>> As one of the vanishing small and getting smaller by the minute
>>>> percentage of road users without any points I think this is ****ing
>>>> unfair. I don't see why I should have to shell out subsidies for you
>>>> bunch of speed obsessed hooligans when my observation skills (luck) are
>>>> demonstrably better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Waves in agreement
>>
>>
>> What with me being an ill educated lout I don't normally do literary
>> quotes so I tend to have to rely on using me own material but
>> occasionally there is one that seems right so I have to ask, how does it
>> go?
>>
>> "We happy few, we band of heros"
>>
>We Few, We Happy Few, We Band of Brothers...For he who sheds his blood today
>with me shall be my brother, be he ne'er so vile, this day shall gentle his
>condition. . .
>
>perhaps?

That's the badger.

>
>Henry V part something

Dunno, I did Juliet and Romeo and the Merchant of Menace. I had a part
in that in a school play you know. Not a particularly taxing part it
has to be said but a part what was important to the plot nonetheless. "O
wall O wall show me thy chink." So I did.


--
steve auvache
MZ TS150: for sale still.
Bandit 600

[Catman]

steve auvache wrote:

> Catman wrote
>>steve auvache wrote:
>>
>>> Catman wrote
>>>>steve auvache wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> wrote
>>>>>> SP30
>>>>>
>>>>>>without totting-up, but as they took the court code and not the
>>>>>>punishment when assessing premiums, it made no difference (inscos
>>>>>>ignore one and sometimes even two speeding offences, as you know).
>>>>>
>>>>> As one of the vanishing small and getting smaller by the minute
>>>>> percentage of road users without any points I think this is ****ing
>>>>> unfair. I don't see why I should have to shell out subsidies for you
>>>>> bunch of speed obsessed hooligans when my observation skills (luck)
>>>>> are demonstrably better.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Waves in agreement
>>>
>>>
>>> What with me being an ill educated lout I don't normally do literary
>>> quotes so I tend to have to rely on using me own material but
>>> occasionally there is one that seems right so I have to ask, how does it
>>> go?
>>>
>>> "We happy few, we band of heros"
>>>
>>We Few, We Happy Few, We Band of Brothers...For he who sheds his blood
>>today with me shall be my brother, be he ne'er so vile, this day shall
>>gentle his condition. . .
>>
>>perhaps?
>
> That's the badger.
>
>>
>>Henry V part something
>
> Dunno, I did Juliet and Romeo and the Merchant of Menace.

I googled.....

> I had a part
> in that in a school play you know. Not a particularly taxing part it
> has to be said but a part what was important to the plot nonetheless. "O
> wall O wall show me thy chink." So I did.

A fine chink it was too, I'm sure.

--
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Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply)
Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 2.0 TS
Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits
www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk

[Champ]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:36:22 -0000, Steph
<stephlNO@SPAMchurchstone.com> wrote:

>In article <34kp3dF4b5ek5U1@individual.net>, parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk
>says...
>
>> Because, it seems to me, that people caught doing over the ton (and in this
>> case it's a fair bit over) are usually viewed in a very dim light.
>>
>> Why I don't know considering doing 60mph in a 30mph is overall,I would
>> think, more likely to result in a mishap, but anyway.
>
>I was always under the impression that 30mph+ over any mandatory speed
>limit resulted in a ban.

No. I believe the ACPO guidelines are that anything over 30mph has to
go to court. Certainly, I didn't get banned for doing 70 in a 30.

>Then again it's a long time since I studied the highway code etc. It's
>over 11 years since I was instructing too, so things have probably
>changed.

None of this is in the Highway Code, either.

--
Please add "imo" to above post.
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

[Doesnotcompute]

Steve Auvache said:

>As one of the vanishing small and getting smaller by the
>minute percentage of road users without any points I think
>this is ****ing unfair

Amen brother.

--
Dnc

[Ace]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:36:22 -0000, Steph
<stephlNO@SPAMchurchstone.com> wrote:

>
>I was always under the impression that 30mph+ over any mandatory speed
>limit resulted in a ban.

It's a 'guideline' to courts, rather than a law itself.

--
Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom)
GSX-R1000K3
BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2

[steve auvache]

Catman wrote
>>>>
>>>We Few, We Happy Few, We Band of Brothers...For he who sheds his blood
>>>today with me shall be my brother, be he ne'er so vile, this day shall
>>>gentle his condition. . .
>>>
>
>I googled.....

Oh right. I get other people to do my googling for me. It is a bit
like getting a man in but cheaper.



--
steve auvache
MZ TS150: for sale still.
Bandit 600

[Dan White]

"Champ" <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
news:focau0tf11344evd1ggsi6ueq5r9r6juv1@4ax.com...
<snip>
>
> biker doing 145 got 2 year bad and £5000 grand

**** me! A five million pound fine...


--
Dan White
(dan@finex666.org.uk)
Perform an exorcism when replying.

[Bear]

In article <o2iau01a090p4g6l9sv1q4qmlaqduh622b@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:36:22 -0000, Steph
> <stephlNO@SPAMchurchstone.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <34kp3dF4b5ek5U1@individual.net>, parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk
> >says...
> >
> >> Because, it seems to me, that people caught doing over the ton (and in this
> >> case it's a fair bit over) are usually viewed in a very dim light.
> >>
> >> Why I don't know considering doing 60mph in a 30mph is overall,I would
> >> think, more likely to result in a mishap, but anyway.
> >
> >I was always under the impression that 30mph+ over any mandatory speed
> >limit resulted in a ban.
>
> No. I believe the ACPO guidelines are that anything over 30mph has to
> go to court. Certainly, I didn't get banned for doing 70 in a 30.

Yeah but you're jammier than Tiptree's overspill bin.
--
Bear
"Don't believe the hype"
Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"

[Champ]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:47:05 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <o2iau01a090p4g6l9sv1q4qmlaqduh622b@4ax.com>, Champ says...
>> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:36:22 -0000, Steph
>> <stephlNO@SPAMchurchstone.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <34kp3dF4b5ek5U1@individual.net>, parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk
>> >says...
>> >
>> >> Because, it seems to me, that people caught doing over the ton (and in this
>> >> case it's a fair bit over) are usually viewed in a very dim light.
>> >>
>> >> Why I don't know considering doing 60mph in a 30mph is overall,I would
>> >> think, more likely to result in a mishap, but anyway.
>> >
>> >I was always under the impression that 30mph+ over any mandatory speed
>> >limit resulted in a ban.
>>
>> No. I believe the ACPO guidelines are that anything over 30mph has to
>> go to court. Certainly, I didn't get banned for doing 70 in a 30.
>
>Yeah but you're jammier than Tiptree's overspill bin.

Happy smile
--
Please add "imo" to above post.
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

[Ben]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:48:13 +0000, Pip
<pip@garageOMITTHISpixies.co.uk> wrote:

>mic@tazm.org (mico) struggled to ejaculate:
>
>>This morning, pulled on M40 by car following for long time...
>
>Well now, that's down to you - if a car is keeping pace with you you
>should be aware of it and either vary pace to check, **** off before
>they get your plate or more probably, drop it to approaching the limit
>and wait for the pull - "a long time" ... oh, dear.
>>
>>They had 114.5mph average speed reading (I was a bit relieved by that..)


That'd be the clincher for me. If _any_ car is either catching up
with me or keeping pace with me at the speed, I'm down to 70 like a
shot and letting them past. Just in case.
--
GSXR1000 DIAABTCOD#11 BOTAFOT#75
"We take these risks, not to escape from life,
but to prevent life escaping from us."
http://www.bensales.com

[Lady Nina]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:27:40 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>You seem to have absolutely no capacity for logical reasoning. Are
>you sure you're not a girl?

I'm still watching you...
--
Lady Nina
Go ahead create another fable.

[dwb]

Champ wrote:
>
> You seem to have absolutely no capacity for logical reasoning. Are
> you sure you're not a girl?

A lack of comprehension is not a lack of logical reasoning.

[Lozzo]

says...
> Opening at £2500
>
> '99 model, 28000 miles, rear shock original (bit bouncy now)
> and down pipes started blowing.....<sigh>
> Any offers ;O)

You'll be lucky. I can get good ZX-9Rs of that age for less.

--
Lozzo
ZX-9R
In cunnis confidimus

[Ginge]

In article <MPG.1c4fadac1c39fc509898ef@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
says...
> says...
> > Opening at £2500
> >
> > '99 model, 28000 miles, rear shock original (bit bouncy now)
> > and down pipes started blowing.....<sigh>
> > Any offers ;O)
>
> You'll be lucky. I can get good ZX-9Rs of that age for less.

How much less, and where from?

[Lozzo]

Ginge says...
> In article <MPG.1c4fadac1c39fc509898ef@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
> says...
> > says...
> > > Opening at £2500
> > >
> > > '99 model, 28000 miles, rear shock original (bit bouncy now)
> > > and down pipes started blowing.....<sigh>
> > > Any offers ;O)
> >
> > You'll be lucky. I can get good ZX-9Rs of that age for less.
>
> How much less, and where from?

I bought it, sorry.

--
Lozzo
ZX-9R
In cunnis confidimus

[Ginge]

In article <MPG.1c4fb3defe36f6f09898f4@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
says...
> Ginge says...
> > In article <MPG.1c4fadac1c39fc509898ef@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
> > says...
> > > says...
> > > > Opening at £2500
> > > >
> > > > '99 model, 28000 miles, rear shock original (bit bouncy now)
> > > > and down pipes started blowing.....<sigh>
> > > > Any offers ;O)
> > >
> > > You'll be lucky. I can get good ZX-9Rs of that age for less.
> >
> > How much less, and where from?
>
> I bought it, sorry.

Ahh, 9Rs implied more than one, which was why I asked.

[Lozzo]

Ginge says...
> In article <MPG.1c4fb3defe36f6f09898f4@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
> says...
> > Ginge says...
> > > In article <MPG.1c4fadac1c39fc509898ef@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
> > > says...
> > > > says...
> > > > > Opening at £2500
> > > > >
> > > > > '99 model, 28000 miles, rear shock original (bit bouncy now)
> > > > > and down pipes started blowing.....<sigh>
> > > > > Any offers ;O)
> > > >
> > > > You'll be lucky. I can get good ZX-9Rs of that age for less.
> > >
> > > How much less, and where from?
> >
> > I bought it, sorry.
>
> Ahh, 9Rs implied more than one, which was why I asked.

I was offered an X regd blue E1 like Ellys a few weeks ago, a rather
nice one too, for 2800 quid. There are others. I'll look out for one for
you.

That was at a dealers, but sold as a trade sale at that price.

--
Lozzo
ZX-9R
In cunnis confidimus

[Colonel Tupperware]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:33:29 -0000, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <G06dhjAcVS5BFw0B@thecow.me.uk>, steve auvache says...
>> wrote
>> > SP30
>>
>> >without totting-up, but as they took the court code and not the
>> >punishment when assessing premiums, it made no difference (inscos
>> >ignore one and sometimes even two speeding offences, as you know).
>>
>> As one of the vanishing small and getting smaller by the minute
>> percentage of road users without any points I think this is ****ing
>> unfair. I don't see why I should have to shell out subsidies for you
>> bunch of speed obsessed hooligans when my observation skills (luck) are
>> demonstrably better.
>
>Hear hear [1]
>
>[1] this is longest I think I've ever gone without *any* points ...
>something bad's gonna happen soon ...

Thirded.

I'm saying nothing, and keeping everything crossed.
24 years and counting.

--
ColonelTupperware,
spouting bollocks on Usenet since 1997
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[Champ]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:21:10 -0000, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>>
>> You seem to have absolutely no capacity for logical reasoning. Are
>> you sure you're not a girl?
>
>A lack of comprehension is not a lack of logical reasoning.

I see you didn't answer the ****ing question.
--
Champ

[Champ]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:21:54 +0000, Lady Nina
<spam.trap2@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:27:40 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>You seem to have absolutely no capacity for logical reasoning. Are
>>you sure you're not a girl?
>
>I'm still watching you...

<double bluff>

Like I'm scared...
--
Champ

[WavyDavy]

"mico" <mic@tazm.org> wrote in message
news:d57dd82f.0501120332.319c07a1@posting.google.c om...
> Okay, it's a long story. I'll make it brief:
>
> Clean license. 5 years no accidents, points, pulls etc.
>
> This morning, pulled on M40 by car following for long time...
>
> They had 114.5mph average speed reading (I was a bit relieved by that..)

<snip>

> So do you have any idea what I'll get for this? How big are the fines?
> How long the bans? (I no longer need my bike for work..) Am I likely
> to lose my license rather than just a ban?

What paperwork did they give you at the time? I only ask as when SWMBO got
pulled for 130 they told her that they 'couldn't ignore' what she'd done
but, as she wasn't putting anyone in danger etc etc etc, they just gave her
an SP30 with 3 points/£60 FPN... Then again she's a burd and it was 6am on
an empty dual carriageway. I don't think I'd have got away as lightly.

Dave

[sweller]

WavyDavy wrote:

> What paperwork did they give you at the time? I only ask as when SWMBO
> got pulled for 130 they told her that they 'couldn't ignore' what she'd
> done but, as she wasn't putting anyone in danger etc etc etc, they just
> gave her an SP30 with 3 points/£60 FPN... Then again she's a burd and
> it was 6am on an empty dual carriageway. I don't think I'd have got
> away as lightly.

On a Saturday afternoon in 1996 I was racing another Guzzi along the A27;
we were clocked (radar gun) at 115.

"Not dangerous but taking the piss" was the comment. FPN and a lecture
covering safety, the need to tax bikes and how great Guzzis are.

--
Simon

http://www.sweller.co.uk/sob/

[prawn]

Catman wrote:

> Henry V part something

Henry V. Not parts to Henry V, see? That was Henry IV.

--
prawn

[platypus]

prawn wrote:
> Catman wrote:
>
>> Henry V part something
>
> Henry V. Not parts to Henry V, see? That was Henry IV.

If Henry V didn't have parts, where did Henry VI come from?

--
platypus

no need to ask

[Salad Dodger]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:32:11 GMT, "platypus"
<monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>prawn wrote:
>> Catman wrote:
>>
>>> Henry V part something
>>
>> Henry V. Not parts to Henry V, see? That was Henry IV.
>
>If Henry V didn't have parts, where did Henry VI come from?

Wasn't it some archer at Rouen, or summat?

Which is why Richard III had the right heebie-jeebies about not being
king.

So he killed his nephews, and walked with a hump.


"now is the the winter of our discount tents ..."
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[prawn]

platypus wrote:

> prawn wrote:
>
>>Catman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Henry V part something
>>
>>Henry V. Not parts to Henry V, see? That was Henry IV.
>
>
> If Henry V didn't have parts, where did Henry VI come from?
>

Good point. Perhaps his queen (Mary?) GALMI.

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prawn

[Rope]

Ben spoke:
> That'd be the clincher for me. If _any_ car is either catching up
> with me or keeping pace with me at the speed, I'm down to 70 like a
> shot and letting them past. Just in case.

Oh yess - and on nightime main route runs you can end up playing leap
frog with the same vehicle for miles and miles - unless you are on an
otherwise empty M5 at 8pm in November and the car - the only other
car in sight - which you slow down for turns out to be a civilian so
you **** off, only to find, as you pull in to the services for a
jimmy that it has transmogrified into a polis rover :(

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UKRM(at)indqualtec.co.uk
uppercase(d) BBIWYMC#1 BOG#11? MRO#31 IBCDBBB#1(kotl)
FJ1200, CCM130
Rebel without a clue

[prawn]

Salad Dodger wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:32:11 GMT, "platypus"
> <monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>prawn wrote:
>>
>>>Catman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Henry V part something
>>>
>>>Henry V. Not parts to Henry V, see? That was Henry IV.
>>
>>If Henry V didn't have parts, where did Henry VI come from?
>
>
> Wasn't it some archer at Rouen, or summat?
>

I unremember which king that was, or more precicely wasn't. I don't
thing it was 'Enry, though.

ICBW, of course.

> Which is why Richard III had the right heebie-jeebies about not being
> king.
>
> So he killed his nephews, and walked with a hump.
>
>
> "now is the the winter of our discount tents ..."

Heh.
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prawn

[dwb]

Champ wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:21:10 -0000, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Champ wrote:
>>>
>>> You seem to have absolutely no capacity for logical reasoning. Are
>>> you sure you're not a girl?
>>
>> A lack of comprehension is not a lack of logical reasoning.
>
> I see you didn't answer the ****ing question.

Er okay - if you want to think I'm a girl, who am I to stop you?

[prawn]

prawn wrote:

> Salad Dodger wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:32:11 GMT, "platypus"
>> <monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> prawn wrote:
>>>
>>>> Catman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Henry V part something
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Henry V. Not parts to Henry V, see? That was Henry IV.
>>>
>>>
>>> If Henry V didn't have parts, where did Henry VI come from?
>>
>>
>>
>> Wasn't it some archer at Rouen, or summat?
>
>
> I unremember which king that was, or more precicely wasn't. I don't
> thing it was 'Enry, though.
>
> ICBW, of course.
>

Bad form etc.

I googled and came up with this:

http://www.serendipity.li/more/monarch.htm
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prawn

[mic@tazm.org]

They didn't comment on my riding, except to say I should look
in my mirrors more... They too said that whilst they have some
leeway (sp?), they couldn't ignore that speed.

They said it's possible to be banned for that rather than points.
He read me my rights and then waxed lyrical about how people
don't like to be without a license and maybe need one for work,
but then pointed out that a ban can be better 'cos you don't end
up carrying lots of points around for ages!

He then gave me a producer to check mot and insurance, and gave me
helpfull hints about how to take off from a slippy hard shoulder, and
off he went...

SP30 for 130? In a 30?? Which year was this?

mico

[Catman]

prawn wrote:

> Catman wrote:
>
>> Henry V part something
>
> Henry V. Not parts to Henry V, see? That was Henry IV.
>
Cheers.

TBH I only did Julius Ceasar 'officialy' as it were, and Midsummer night's
dream drifted in and out cos it was fun.
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Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 2.0 TS
Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits
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[Lady Nina]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:35:14 +0000, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:21:54 +0000, Lady Nina
><spam.trap2@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:27:40 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>You seem to have absolutely no capacity for logical reasoning. Are
>>>you sure you're not a girl?
>>
>>I'm still watching you...
>
><double bluff>
>
>Like I'm scared...

You should be.
--
Lady Nina
Vaguely excited now. Next mood swing half an hour.

[Champ]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:15:02 -0000, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:21:10 -0000, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Champ wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You seem to have absolutely no capacity for logical reasoning. Are
>>>> you sure you're not a girl?
>>>
>>> A lack of comprehension is not a lack of logical reasoning.
>>
>> I see you didn't answer the ****ing question.
>
>Er okay - if you want to think I'm a girl, who am I to stop you?

<sigh> Not that question, which was obviously rhetorical. This one:

"Worse in what way?"
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Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

[Champ]

On 13 Jan 2005 01:20:08 -0800, mic@tazm.org wrote:

>SP30 for 130? In a 30?? Which year was this?

Hint: the "30" in "SP30" has nothing to do with the speed.
--
Please add "imo" to above post.
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

[dwb]

Champ wrote:
>
> <sigh> Not that question, which was obviously rhetorical. This one:
>
> "Worse in what way?"

I sort of did answer it when I said lack of comprehension.

I had misunderstood was being meant - ie there are two punishments - fine
and points.

[Salad Dodger]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:15:17 +0000, prawn <prawnMUNG@prawn.me.uk>
wrote:

>I googled and came up with this:
>
>http://www.serendipity.li/more/monarch.htm


That's the story I was remembering.
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