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Toomb
03-25-2005, 02:42 AM
my email...

This is in regards to the autotrader ad (2003 Range Rover - $19,900).

You must get this a lot, but anything wrong with the vehicle? Why the low price? If its still available, and everything is clear, I would have no problem coming up with cash for this car.

Please let me know asap.

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sellers response:
From: Tibb Jacob [mailto:?????????@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 3:27 PM
To: anonymous
Subject: RE: Range Rover for Sale


Hello,
I am glad that you are interested in my car and I can asurre you that it is the perfect car that ever existed,also it is in perfect shape,has never been
involved in any accidents,never flooded,has no scratches,no rust and
the engine runs perfectly.The car has been inspected before sale and has
updated all the 2004 international emissions and DOT standards.It has a clear title and you will receive it with the car.The title, all the paperwork needed to register the car under your name in US and also a notorized paper signed by the power of attorney will come,in wich if you accept the car you will be
oblied to transfer me the established amount in 10 days period, and if the car is not suitable for you from any reason,your money will be fully refoundable and I will take the car back on my cost. I preffer to use Lufthansa carrier
for shipping because I am pleased with their services,I have used them to bring the car to the UK, and it has arrived with no scratch because it was
professionally crated.The car will land on the closest airport to your address and then on trailer to your home and I will provide you the tracking number in the same day that the payment has been sent,so you will inspect the
shippment route online on their website,beeing insurred that the car is
coming to you. The estimated time of delivery is 5 days.After checking with
Lufthansa,I found that the shipping costs is $2700.I know it's a bit
to much,but I'm willing to cover the shipping fees,and you will NOT pay extra for it.The car will be shipped via Lufthansa Air Cargo Freight Service,and Lufthansa company accepts payments only via EU plan system because it is an european carrier that is why i will be charged for the cost and i need a formal
downpayment first(an insurance).Of course,the balance will be sent after you will receive the vehicle.I'll ship the vehicle second day after I'll
have your payment confirmation,and can be delivered to your home adress,if you want.If not you will have to pick it up from the local airport.Along with the vehicle,I will attach a special package that will contain the keys of the car,the title and all the service and inspections papers.I'm sure you want to see the car in front of your eyes before taking the right decission about buying it or not,so I want to propose you this:I suggest $2700 as a downpayment.I will not ask for money from you because you haven't seen/test driven the car yet.I would prefer the deposit made via Western Union because this is the fastest way to send money in the world,and it will act like we are using a third party.It will also help us to conclude this deal very fast.
To arrange the transfer,you must go in person to a Western Union office and send the money from your name and address to my name and address. But for your safety you can make the deposit from your name and address to WHAT NAME DO YOU WANT HERE IN LONDON UK(EG:YOUR WIFE'S NAME ,FATHER'S NAME,GRANDFATHER'S NAME OR WHAT NAME DO YOU WANT)so you can be sure that the funds will stay with WU until you receive the car.After receiving and inspecting the car,you will wire me the ballance,and you will change the receiver's name at WU so I can collect my money.This seems the best and fastest solution for us cause on one hand I
can see you really have the money and are serious about buying my car, not just a teenager interested in my car but with no money, and you on the other hand are safe cause I can not pick up any money since they are not on my name.
So,to make a long story short,I'll need to know if my terms are acceptable
to you,and if yes,let's finish this deal as soon as possible,because I really need a car here,and I'll need some more money to buy it.
Have a nice day,
Tibb.

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another re: after I questioned the sale....

For the moment I cannot accept having my money and merchandise stocked to
third parties for almost 2 weeks. At this price I am literally overwhelmed
by the number of offers I have received in the last couple of hours so
please let me know if you are still interested.
I understand the situation here. We don't know each other at all and it's
normal not to trust one another in the way two friends would do since we are
totally strangers.With escrow I had only bad experiences so I do not like it
at all and besides it would make our deal last over a month since now on so
this is not a solution for me cause I need more money to invest in my
business here this is one of the reasons I offer you such a good price. I'm
still waiting for some speakers I bought 2
months ago ...they say they're investigating at the moment. Too slow, very
slow, escrow is not an option.
On the other hand, you do not know or trust western union. Here is what I
propose. You send the deposit via WU to one of your friends name but with an
UK address for your safety(remember you can use any name, any address and
any town as long as it is in UK so I can check them from my location
here).This seems the best solution for us cause on one hand I can see you
really have the money and are serious about buying my car, not just a
teenager interested in my car but with no money, and you on the other hand
are safe cause I can not pick up any money since they are not on my name.
After this, I ship you the car, provide you the tracking number for the
shipping and once the car arrives there you will change the receiver's name
into my name so I can pick up the
money.

Tibb.

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SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM... haven't replied since... but I guess I will just report their userID on yahoo and autotrader.

Admin - edited your own email address from showing

admin
03-27-2005, 10:07 AM
my email...

This is in regards to the autotrader ad (2003 Range Rover - $19,900).

You must get this a lot, but anything wrong with the vehicle? Why the low price? If its still available, and everything is clear, I would have no problem coming up with cash for this car.

Please let me know asap.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++
sellers response:
From: Tibb Jacob [mailto:?????????@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 3:27 PM
To: anonymous
Subject: RE: Range Rover for Sale


Hello,
I am glad that you are interested in my car and I can asurre you that it is the perfect car that ever existed,also it is in perfect shape,has never been
involved in any accidents,never flooded,has no scratches,no rust and
the engine runs perfectly.The car has been inspected before sale and has
updated all the 2004 international emissions and DOT standards.It has a clear title and you will receive it with the car.The title, all the paperwork needed to register the car under your name in US and also a notorized paper signed by the power of attorney will come,in wich if you accept the car you will be
oblied to transfer me the established amount in 10 days period, and if the car is not suitable for you from any reason,your money will be fully refoundable and I will take the car back on my cost. I preffer to use Lufthansa carrier
for shipping because I am pleased with their services,I have used them to bring the car to the UK, and it has arrived with no scratch because it was
professionally crated.The car will land on the closest airport to your address and then on trailer to your home and I will provide you the tracking number in the same day that the payment has been sent,so you will inspect the
shippment route online on their website,beeing insurred that the car is
coming to you. The estimated time of delivery is 5 days.After checking with
Lufthansa,I found that the shipping costs is $2700.I know it's a bit
to much,but I'm willing to cover the shipping fees,and you will NOT pay extra for it.The car will be shipped via Lufthansa Air Cargo Freight Service,and Lufthansa company accepts payments only via EU plan system because it is an european carrier that is why i will be charged for the cost and i need a formal
downpayment first(an insurance).Of course,the balance will be sent after you will receive the vehicle.I'll ship the vehicle second day after I'll
have your payment confirmation,and can be delivered to your home adress,if you want.If not you will have to pick it up from the local airport.Along with the vehicle,I will attach a special package that will contain the keys of the car,the title and all the service and inspections papers.I'm sure you want to see the car in front of your eyes before taking the right decission about buying it or not,so I want to propose you this:I suggest $2700 as a downpayment.I will not ask for money from you because you haven't seen/test driven the car yet.I would prefer the deposit made via Western Union because this is the fastest way to send money in the world,and it will act like we are using a third party.It will also help us to conclude this deal very fast.
To arrange the transfer,you must go in person to a Western Union office and send the money from your name and address to my name and address. But for your safety you can make the deposit from your name and address to WHAT NAME DO YOU WANT HERE IN LONDON UK(EG:YOUR WIFE'S NAME ,FATHER'S NAME,GRANDFATHER'S NAME OR WHAT NAME DO YOU WANT)so you can be sure that the funds will stay with WU until you receive the car.After receiving and inspecting the car,you will wire me the ballance,and you will change the receiver's name at WU so I can collect my money.This seems the best and fastest solution for us cause on one hand I
can see you really have the money and are serious about buying my car, not just a teenager interested in my car but with no money, and you on the other hand are safe cause I can not pick up any money since they are not on my name.
So,to make a long story short,I'll need to know if my terms are acceptable
to you,and if yes,let's finish this deal as soon as possible,because I really need a car here,and I'll need some more money to buy it.
Have a nice day,
Tibb.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
another re: after I questioned the sale....

For the moment I cannot accept having my money and merchandise stocked to
third parties for almost 2 weeks. At this price I am literally overwhelmed
by the number of offers I have received in the last couple of hours so
please let me know if you are still interested.
I understand the situation here. We don't know each other at all and it's
normal not to trust one another in the way two friends would do since we are
totally strangers.With escrow I had only bad experiences so I do not like it
at all and besides it would make our deal last over a month since now on so
this is not a solution for me cause I need more money to invest in my
business here this is one of the reasons I offer you such a good price. I'm
still waiting for some speakers I bought 2
months ago ...they say they're investigating at the moment. Too slow, very
slow, escrow is not an option.
On the other hand, you do not know or trust western union. Here is what I
propose. You send the deposit via WU to one of your friends name but with an
UK address for your safety(remember you can use any name, any address and
any town as long as it is in UK so I can check them from my location
here).This seems the best solution for us cause on one hand I can see you
really have the money and are serious about buying my car, not just a
teenager interested in my car but with no money, and you on the other hand
are safe cause I can not pick up any money since they are not on my name.
After this, I ship you the car, provide you the tracking number for the
shipping and once the car arrives there you will change the receiver's name
into my name so I can pick up the
money.

Tibb.

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SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM... haven't replied since... but I guess I will just report their userID on yahoo and autotrader.

Admin - edited your own email address from showing
It is a scam - not sure on how the scam works with sending money to a friend, with any address. I think that they only need the name, so they will knock up some fake ID in the friends name. And then take your money, and run. This is more likely a Romanian scam, this is there style to place fake cheap adverts to lure the bargain hunters.

Please warn your friends & family

adrenaline112
05-30-2005, 09:22 PM
Hi I'm from NY, USA. Im in the transaction of purchasing a vehicle overseas and it sounds very much like the situation mentioned in this forum. I have not purchased anything as of yet but this is what the person I wish to buy the car from has stated:

First email:

First of all I want to tell you that the car is still available and the price includes all the shipping costs and insurance, so you wont have to pay any extra charges. The car looks like new, it has never been scratched or wrecked. It will come with a clear title, bill of sale signed by me as well and all the papers (including the original manuals and keys) that you will need to register it under your name.It's so cheap because I've just moved here in London (UK) and here will cost me to much to registred, also the cars from here have the hand drive on right so I cant use my car here.About the payment method I only accept to make this deal trough a escrow company, because is very safe.The escrow company will hold your money until you will receive and approve the car.Also you will have 5 days to see it, test it and inspect it, and if you will not keep it, they will refund you all your money.If you agree with these terms, please reply me and I will be more than glad to provide you with further information how to purchase the car asap.

--------------------------

The user wants to pay thru "BidPay verified agent" using

"http://www.westernunion.com/info/agentInquiryIntl.asp"

Does this sound like a possible scam?

p.s. oh yeah the seller wants to use Lufthansa Cargo.

AndyJH250184
05-31-2005, 03:24 PM
it's always a scam
just accept the check and WAIT for it to clear normally 5 days or summat
if it's fake you dont have to wory as the cheque will be bounce