What does yours smell like?

[T i m]

Gas fridge I mean ;-)

I decided to give this Camping GAZ 'groenland' CTL350 (3 way) chest
fridge another go before buying a new one.

New Camping GAZ bottle, 29mB reg and with it standing in the kitchen
indoors. (woks fine on 12/240 by the way)

Spark it up, nice steady, even blue flame and cooling away as it
should.

Now, if I stick my hooter near the exhaust it 'smells'? I can't say of
what .. a mixture of just fumes and possibly 'stuff burning off metal'
type smells. Not enough to make yer eyes sting but a smell though?

So, if anyone happpens to have noticed what this should smell like, or
if it would normally smell at all, please let me know? Would yer Corgi
man have a 'sniffer' to see if the exhaust gasses are 'clean' (might
be somthing that has been spilled in there before I bought it just
slowly burning off?)

When these things are fitted *inside* cravans / campers etc, is the
exhaust normally vented outside?

Whatabout those who have run such in an awning .. can you smell yours
when you walk into the awning from the van or outside?

All the best ..

T i m

p.s. It looks like a replacement could be the Combicool (@ 150 gbp?)

[Mary Fisher]

"T i m" <kitcar@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:m0gfh0prvvt6u88h2knlial877ft923ej1@4ax.com...
> Gas fridge I mean ;-)
>
> I decided to give this Camping GAZ 'groenland' CTL350 (3 way) chest
> fridge another go before buying a new one.
>
> New Camping GAZ bottle, 29mB reg and with it standing in the kitchen
> indoors. (woks fine on 12/240 by the way)
>
> Spark it up, nice steady, even blue flame and cooling away as it
> should.
>
> Now, if I stick my hooter near the exhaust it 'smells'? I can't say of
> what .. a mixture of just fumes and possibly 'stuff burning off metal'
> type smells. Not enough to make yer eyes sting but a smell though?
>
> So, if anyone happpens to have noticed what this should smell like, or
> if it would normally smell at all, please let me know? Would yer Corgi
> man have a 'sniffer' to see if the exhaust gasses are 'clean' (might
> be somthing that has been spilled in there before I bought it just
> slowly burning off?)
>
> When these things are fitted *inside* cravans / campers etc, is the
> exhaust normally vented outside?

Not in ours. Well, that is our fridge is used in the 'kitchen' in the
mediaeval tent which is the rear awning and is <ahem. well ventilted. In
strong winds we have to rig a shelter for the fridge to prevent the flame
blowing out.

The same goes for when we use it in the caravan awning.

And in the Viking tent.

All of these situations are well ventilated.
>
> Whatabout those who have run such in an awning .. can you smell yours
> when you walk into the awning from the van or outside?

No.

And I haven't noticed any smell when using it indoors in our house.
Although, come to think of it I (we're just back from Essex and it's been,
um, interesting and we've indulged to make up for the interest) realise that
indoors we use mains electricity. Electricity doesn't smell, or if it does
it hasn't reached Yorkshire.

I think I need to go to bed ...

Mary

[T i m]

On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:02:10 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
<mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

>> Gas fridge I mean ;-)
>>
>> Now, if I stick my hooter near the exhaust it 'smells'? I can't say of
>> what .. a mixture of just fumes and possibly 'stuff burning off metal'
>> type smells. Not enough to make yer eyes sting but a smell though?
>>
>> So, if anyone happpens to have noticed what this should smell like, or
>> if it would normally smell at all, please let me know? Would yer Corgi
>> man have a 'sniffer' to see if the exhaust gasses are 'clean' (might
>> be somthing that has been spilled in there before I bought it just
>> slowly burning off?)
>>
>> When these things are fitted *inside* cravans / campers etc, is the
>> exhaust normally vented outside?
>
>Not in ours. Well, that is our fridge is used in the 'kitchen' in the
>mediaeval tent which is the rear awning and is <ahem. well ventilted. In
>strong winds we have to rig a shelter for the fridge to prevent the flame
>blowing out.

Ok, so possibly not a complete test then ;-)
>
>The same goes for when we use it in the caravan awning.
>
>And in the Viking tent.
>
>All of these situations are well ventilated.

Indeed. Mind you, the little 'Porch Awning' that goes with our
Confortmatic is fairly airtight (as in how close it fits to the van
etc)
>>
>> Whatabout those who have run such in an awning .. can you smell yours
>> when you walk into the awning from the van or outside?
>
>No.

Ok ..
>
>And I haven't noticed any smell when using it indoors in our house.
>Although, come to think of it I (we're just back from Essex and it's been,
>um, interesting and we've indulged to make up for the interest) realise that
>indoors we use mains electricity. Electricity doesn't smell, or if it does
>it hasn't reached Yorkshire.

What, electricity? <cheeky grin>.
>
>I think I need to go to bed ...

Ok, assuming you have done that now, how would you fancy doing an
experiment for yer old mate please Mary?

So, I spoke to a nice man at the Calor Centre who said that 'the
smell' could be down to incomplete burning etc. He also added if the
burning is complete you only get Carbon Dioxide (odourless) and water.
Anyway, I stripped everything down, cleaned, reassembled and am
testing it again now ..

Pro's, Since the good 'clean' the gas stays alight on the 'Low'
position.

Con's, it still smells ...;-(

So I wonder. The guy that sold me the fridge suggested he hadn't ever
used it on gas, if so, this could be THE first time it has been used
on gas and I wondered if it was just burning in?

Assuming that is the case, how many other folk would run their fridge
indoors from new (more likley, like you, it would be on lekky when
indoors) and therefore would never experience the 'burning in smell'?

I'm only running it indoors as a test.

Anyway, at least it stays on Low gas now so we will take it with us
and maybe pop it to the Calor Centre whist on our hols (as he offered)
to check it out for us ?

All the best ...

T i m

[Brian Harwood]

"T i m" <kitcar@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:080ih094483d6u11hfu5nlohhumvcuuo3m@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:02:10 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
> <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> Gas fridge I mean ;-)
> >>
> >> Now, if I stick my hooter near the exhaust it 'smells'? I can't say of
> >> what .. a mixture of just fumes and possibly 'stuff burning off metal'
> >> type smells. Not enough to make yer eyes sting but a smell though?
> >>
> >> So, if anyone happpens to have noticed what this should smell like, or
> >> if it would normally smell at all, please let me know? Would yer Corgi
> >> man have a 'sniffer' to see if the exhaust gasses are 'clean' (might
> >> be somthing that has been spilled in there before I bought it just
> >> slowly burning off?)
> >>
> >> When these things are fitted *inside* cravans / campers etc, is the
> >> exhaust normally vented outside?
> >
> >Not in ours. Well, that is our fridge is used in the 'kitchen' in the
> >mediaeval tent which is the rear awning and is <ahem. well ventilted. In
> >strong winds we have to rig a shelter for the fridge to prevent the flame
> >blowing out.
>
> Ok, so possibly not a complete test then ;-)
> >
> >The same goes for when we use it in the caravan awning.
> >
> >And in the Viking tent.
> >
> >All of these situations are well ventilated.
>
> Indeed. Mind you, the little 'Porch Awning' that goes with our
> Confortmatic is fairly airtight (as in how close it fits to the van
> etc)
> >>
> >> Whatabout those who have run such in an awning .. can you smell yours
> >> when you walk into the awning from the van or outside?
> >
> >No.
>
> Ok ..
> >
> >And I haven't noticed any smell when using it indoors in our house.
> >Although, come to think of it I (we're just back from Essex and it's
been,
> >um, interesting and we've indulged to make up for the interest) realise
that
> >indoors we use mains electricity. Electricity doesn't smell, or if it
does
> >it hasn't reached Yorkshire.
>
> What, electricity? <cheeky grin>.
> >
> >I think I need to go to bed ...
>
> Ok, assuming you have done that now, how would you fancy doing an
> experiment for yer old mate please Mary?
>
> So, I spoke to a nice man at the Calor Centre who said that 'the
> smell' could be down to incomplete burning etc. He also added if the
> burning is complete you only get Carbon Dioxide (odourless) and water.
> Anyway, I stripped everything down, cleaned, reassembled and am
> testing it again now ..
>
> Pro's, Since the good 'clean' the gas stays alight on the 'Low'
> position.
>
> Con's, it still smells ...;-(
>
> So I wonder. The guy that sold me the fridge suggested he hadn't ever
> used it on gas, if so, this could be THE first time it has been used
> on gas and I wondered if it was just burning in?
>
> Assuming that is the case, how many other folk would run their fridge
> indoors from new (more likley, like you, it would be on lekky when
> indoors) and therefore would never experience the 'burning in smell'?
>
> I'm only running it indoors as a test.
>
> Anyway, at least it stays on Low gas now so we will take it with us
> and maybe pop it to the Calor Centre whist on our hols (as he offered)
> to check it out for us ?
>
> All the best ...
>
> T i m
>
>

From what I remember of an old heat exchange fridge I had, the part that was
heated was encased in a steel "can" the inside of this was stuffed with
rockwool and the whole of this got extremely hot. It could be that, as yours
hasnt been used on gas before, the rockwool in yours (or whatever insulation
is in there for that matter) still has to get rid of the smell....just a
thought.

Brian

[Mary Fisher]

"T i m" <kitcar@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:080ih094483d6u11hfu5nlohhumvcuuo3m@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:02:10 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
> >>
> >> When these things are fitted *inside* cravans / campers etc, is the
> >> exhaust normally vented outside?
> >
> >Not in ours. Well, that is our fridge is used in the 'kitchen' in the
> >mediaeval tent which is the rear awning and is <ahem. well ventilated. In
> >strong winds we have to rig a shelter for the fridge to prevent the flame
> >blowing out.
>
> Ok, so possibly not a complete test then ;-)

Absolutely not.
> >
> >The same goes for when we use it in the caravan awning.
> >
> >And in the Viking tent.
> >
> >All of these situations are well ventilated.
>
> Indeed. Mind you, the little 'Porch Awning' that goes with our
> Confortmatic is fairly airtight (as in how close it fits to the van
> etc)

But surely there's ventilation from under the caravan? I can't imagine 100%
sealing in such a situation.
> >>
> >
> >And I haven't noticed any smell when using it indoors in our house.
> >Although, come to think of it I (we're just back from Essex and it's
been,
> >um, interesting and we've indulged to make up for the interest) realise
that
> >indoors we use mains electricity. Electricity doesn't smell, or if it
does
> >it hasn't reached Yorkshire.
>
> What, electricity? <cheeky grin>.

Oh yes, we've had it for a few years now.

And running water. The stream is very convenient.
> >
> >I think I need to go to bed ...
>
> Ok, assuming you have done that now, how would you fancy doing an
> experiment for yer old mate please Mary?

For you, anything.
>
> So, I spoke to a nice man at the Calor Centre who said that 'the
> smell' could be down to incomplete burning etc.

We always called it incomplete combustion in the lab. Mind you, that was
back in the old alchemy days, before modern language took over.

> He also added if the
> burning is complete you only get Carbon Dioxide (odourless) and water.

I'm glad they still teach chemistry.

> Anyway, I stripped everything down, cleaned, reassembled and am
> testing it again now ..
>
> Pro's, Since the good 'clean' the gas stays alight on the 'Low'
> position.
>
> Con's, it still smells ...;-(

Hmm. Perhaps you have an ultra sensitive hooter?
>
> So I wonder. The guy that sold me the fridge suggested he hadn't ever
> used it on gas, if so, this could be THE first time it has been used
> on gas and I wondered if it was just burning in?

That shouldn't be. and didn't you say it smelled metallic? That's not
incomplete combustion!
>
> Assuming that is the case, how many other folk would run their fridge
> indoors from new (more likley, like you, it would be on lekky when
> indoors) and therefore would never experience the 'burning in smell'?

I'll do it if you like, just for you ...
>
> I'm only running it indoors as a test.
>
> Anyway, at least it stays on Low gas now so we will take it with us
> and maybe pop it to the Calor Centre whist on our hols (as he offered)
> to check it out for us ?

The latter is a very good idea. The former will mean that it keeps food
slightly cooler than the outside - enough to stop champagne exploding - but
frozen food will thaw pretty quickly.

Which reminds me, the bubbly is still in ours ...

Mary

[Mary Fisher]

"Brian Harwood" <brian@nospamcal-bri.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Tp8Sc.15157>
> From what I remember of an old heat exchange fridge I had, the part that
was
> heated was encased in a steel "can" the inside of this was stuffed with
> rockwool and the whole of this got extremely hot. It could be that, as
yours
> hasnt been used on gas before, the rockwool in yours (or whatever
insulation
> is in there for that matter) still has to get rid of the smell....just a
> thought.

Rockwool shouldn't smell though, even when hot ...

Mary
>
> Brian
>
>

[Mary Fisher]

"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:41191888$0$22317$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet. net...

>
> Rockwool shouldn't smell though, even when hot ...

.... should have added, "unless it's dusty" - but that should burn off pretty
quickly.
>
Mary
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
>
>

[T i m]

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:24:14 +0100, "Brian Harwood"
<brian@nospamcal-bri.co.uk> wrote:


>> >> Now, if I stick my hooter near the exhaust it 'smells'? I can't say of
>> >> what .. a mixture of just fumes and possibly 'stuff burning off metal'
>> >> type smells. Not enough to make yer eyes sting but a smell though?
>
>From what I remember of an old heat exchange fridge I had, the part that was
>heated was encased in a steel "can" the inside of this was stuffed with
>rockwool and the whole of this got extremely hot.

Still the same on this one Brian ;-)

It could be that, as yours
>hasnt been used on gas before, the rockwool in yours (or whatever insulation
>is in there for that matter)

Looks like Rockwool to me?

still has to get rid of the smell....just a
>thought.

That was (one of) my thoughts Brian. Tho reading ahead young Mary
seems to think the Rockwool hasn't got a smell (when heated) but
thinks that dust in it could have. I wondered if Rockwool was bound
together with some sort of resin and it was that that was burning off
...?

I just walked back into the kitchen after being round a mates for a
while and it seems like it *could* be less fumey .. possibly ... or
not ... ;-(

All the best ..

T i m

[Mary Fisher]

"T i m" <kitcar@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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....

> >>
> >> Assuming that is the case, how many other folk would run their fridge
> >> indoors from new (more likley, like you, it would be on lekky when
> >> indoors) and therefore would never experience the 'burning in smell'?
> >
> >I'll do it if you like, just for you ...
>
> What an angel .. I'll take back some of the things I've said about you
> Mary .. <wink>

Don't be so hasty. I can't do it.

It's not that I don't want to, it's physically impossible unless I go to the
hardware shop and buy a length of hose etc. and we've too much on just now
to do that.

I was reminded that our tent - well, the only one we use the fridge in - and
the caravans have dedicated plumbing for the fridge. Spouse built them in
(being so clever humph) when he got fed up of having to hump a cylinder
about just for the fridge when cookers and in one case a water heater had to
be fuelled too. It does make sense but it does mean that it's not
straightforward to use the fridge on gas anywhere else.

I'm sorry - I should have thought about it more carefully but you know what
my brain's like :-)
>
Off to do yet more ironing now.

Mary

[T i m]

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:28:36 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
<mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:


>>
>> What an angel .. I'll take back some of the things I've said about you
>> Mary .. <wink>
>
>Don't be so hasty. I can't do it.

Doh! (and thanks for all your replies Mary)
>
>It's not that I don't want to, it's physically impossible unless I go to the
>hardware shop and buy a length of hose etc. and we've too much on just now
>to do that.

No worries Mary .. it was a nice thought anyway ;-)
>
>I was reminded that our tent - well, the only one we use the fridge in - and
>the caravans have dedicated plumbing for the fridge. Spouse built them in
>(being so clever humph) when he got fed up of having to hump a cylinder
>about just for the fridge when cookers and in one case a water heater had to
>be fuelled too. It does make sense but it does mean that it's not
>straightforward to use the fridge on gas anywhere else.

Understood .. I was considering splitting the supply but it's not
suitable in the folding van so will stick with two smaller CG bottles
(then we have a spare for the cooker)
>
>I'm sorry - I should have thought about it more carefully but you know what
>my brain's like :-)
>>

No probs .. like I said the smell *seems* a bit less .. we will see
what the Calor Centre say ..


>Off to do yet more ironing now.
>
We have that 'outsourced' in London these days Mary ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

[Mary Fisher]

"T i m" <kitcar@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> >Off to do yet more ironing now.
> >
> We have that 'outsourced' in London these days Mary ;-)

I wouldn't trust anyone else. Ironing's very satisfying anyway, it's just
that I'd rather not do it in this heat but we need our kit for the weekend.

I don't suppose you wear linen shifts, braies and kirtles anyway ...

Mary
>
> All the best ..
>
> T i m
>
>