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Richard Murphy

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

Any ideas on the rules regarding storage of my caravan on a purpose-built
concrete area in my front garden, Birmingham area?

My neighbour, bless his soul, feels that if he forces me to have my caravan
removed, I can then move my car across my property, thus releasing part of
my property for him to use.

Ho hum.

eTOMd

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

"Richard Murphy" <richard@murphy00.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cf9q8s$cbh$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Any ideas on the rules regarding storage of my caravan on a purpose-built
> concrete area in my front garden, Birmingham area?
>
> My neighbour, bless his soul, feels that if he forces me to have my
caravan
> removed, I can then move my car across my property, thus releasing part of
> my property for him to use.
>
> Ho hum.

Depends on local bye laws and your deeds. If rented your landlord.

kqr

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

In article <cf9q8s$cbh$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, richard@murphy00.wanadoo.co.uk wrote

> Any ideas on the rules regarding storage of my caravan on a purpose-built
> concrete area in my front garden, Birmingham area?

> My neighbour, bless his soul, feels that if he forces me to have my caravan
> removed, I can then move my car across my property, thus releasing part of
> my property for him to use.
> Ho hum.

1] Do you own your property?
2] Is it Freehold?
3] Are there any 'Conditions' levied by the developer?
4] Does the prescence of the Van in the front, resrict
a neighbours ability to see up and down the road when
driving a vehicle out?

If your answers are Yes Yes No No then your neighbour can
feck off.

SkodaMan

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

The main problem with keeping your 'van in full view at the front of your
house is that when you are away in the 'van, the bad guys will know it and
your house could be a target!!

"Richard Murphy" <richard@murphy00.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cf9q8s$cbh$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Any ideas on the rules regarding storage of my caravan on a purpose-built
> concrete area in my front garden, Birmingham area?
>
> My neighbour, bless his soul, feels that if he forces me to have my
caravan
> removed, I can then move my car across my property, thus releasing part of
> my property for him to use.
>
> Ho hum.
>
>

Mary Fisher

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

"SkodaMan" <r.goodrum@ntlnospamworld.com> wrote in message
news:o02Sc.95$Qs4.15@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
> The main problem with keeping your 'van in full view at the front of your
> house is that when you are away in the 'van, the bad guys will know it and
> your house could be a target!!

Doesn't necessarily mean that. Not all the household might have gone with
the 'van. You could just as well say that when there isn't a car there the
house is empty ...

An insurance man once told me that he knew if we were in because people left
their keys in the lock - inside the door - if they were in. We never did,
but whether the door was locked or unlocked was only a sign of the locked or
unlocked state of the door, not our presence. Sometimes the door was locked
when we were inside because we hadn't got round to unlocking it.

Same with the car. We sometimes go out - singly or both - on the scooter.
Occasionally we <pause for reders to faint> use our legs.

The door might be wide open with one or both of us in the house or in the
garden or ... well you get the idea. Absence of a caravan means that a
caravan isn't where it was the day before.

Life ain't simple for the poor burglar ...

As for the rules, I believe that these depend on the local council. From
what I observe, if there are rules they are flouted everwhere we go. Spouse
was very concerned about having ours in the front garden until I pointed out
all the other caravans in front gardens in the locality.

If the OP's neighbour says that his caravan is a nuisance he might be able
to bring some force against the OP but he could, perhaps vainly, point out
all the other 'vans in the area which are similarly parked and say that
he'll move his when they do. It's not there 365 days a year anyway, is it?

And what's this about wanting to use the OP's land?

Mary
>

David

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

Dave Fawthrop

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:08:04 GMT, "SkodaMan" <r.goodrum@ntlnospamworld.com>
wrote:

| The main problem with keeping your 'van in full view at the front of your
| house is that when you are away in the 'van, the bad guys will know it and
| your house could be a target!!

When we are all out we leave the TV playing to itself, and some lights on.

Planet V our house. House wins every time.

Dave F

David

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

"Dave Fawthrop" <hyphen@hyphenologist.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> When we are all out we leave the TV playing to itself, and some lights on.
>

Even when away in your caravan for 2 or 3 weeks?
Hope Tv does not burst into flames.

--
Regards,
David
<><
Please reply to News Group.

Mary Fisher

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

"David" <d.remove.park@tesco.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Fawthrop" <hyphen@hyphenologist.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> > When we are all out we leave the TV playing to itself, and some
lights on.
> >
>
>
> Even when away in your caravan for 2 or 3 weeks?

We rarely go off even for two weeks but some lights and all radios are left
on all the time, whether we're here or not. There's no television here, nor
anything else which would appeal to burglars.

> Hope Tv does not burst into flames.

According to a son, who knows about these things because of his job, a far
more common cause of house fires is dishwashers being left switched on. He
was furious when he came round when we were out and found ours on ...

Mary

scorch

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "David" <d.remove.park@tesco.net> wrote in message
> news:243Sc.91$To5.26@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> >
> > "Dave Fawthrop" <hyphen@hyphenologist.co.uk> wrote in message
> > >> > When we are all out we leave the TV playing to itself, and some
> lights on.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Even when away in your caravan for 2 or 3 weeks?
>
> We rarely go off even for two weeks but some lights and all radios are
left
> on all the time, whether we're here or not. There's no television here,
nor
> anything else which would appeal to burglars.
>
> > Hope Tv does not burst into flames.
>
> According to a son, who knows about these things because of his job, a far
> more common cause of house fires is dishwashers being left switched on. He
> was furious when he came round when we were out and found ours on ...
>
> Mary
>
>
>
I thought spouse was the dishwasher

Martin Edwards

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

We always have a few lights and a radio on timer switches when we go away.
That way they're not ALWAYS on.... now that is a sure sign to a
bugalar.....

Incidently, our last van was in my front drive for 2 years, our latest is
too long (BOO!) so we abandon it in the plot opposite where our local
developer has his site office (just for a few weeks, honest!) then our
rector moved on, so his longer drive was free. Some day I suppose I'm going
to either have to pay someone local for storage or drive 25 miles to my
dad's farm.....

As to the original post....

build a fence between your land & his. He has NO RIGHT to park on your
land!!!

John Manders

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

> > According to a son, who knows about these things because of his job, a
far
> > more common cause of house fires is dishwashers being left switched on.
He
> > was furious when he came round when we were out and found ours on ...
> >
> > Mary
> >
> >
> >
> I thought spouse was the dishwasher
>

I have told my wife that cooking and cleaning is womans work.
Now what's a good treatment for bruises?

Seriously, What's your son's job Mary? I have a dishwasher and you've got me
worried now.

John

liz hall

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

It depends on the by-laws and they are very difficult to enforce, impossible
I would say. Newer proprty will be more difficult. Someone has to invoke
the covenant and there are not many people ready to do that. Ask me how I
know. I have been trying for 7 years to get something done about my
neighbour who uses his property as a garage 24-7. Council says they can do
nothing and I will personally have to take him to court and prove breach of
planning rules. Also his untaxed cars are parked on council land since
January and DVLC have done nothing. So much for the adverts.
If you want to be neighbourly then try to be reasonable, negotiation is
better than confrontation.
Both my brother and sister let out a field for storage of caravans, one has
planning permission in Bedfordshire for a few and the other in Milton Keynes
has no planning permission for about 100.
It varies from Council to Council and how efficient they are.
Liz

"Richard Murphy" <richard@murphy00.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cf9q8s$cbh$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Any ideas on the rules regarding storage of my caravan on a purpose-built
> concrete area in my front garden, Birmingham area?
>
> My neighbour, bless his soul, feels that if he forces me to have my
caravan
> removed, I can then move my car across my property, thus releasing part of
> my property for him to use.
>
> Ho hum.
>
>

Mary Fisher

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

"Martin Edwards" <rosemountpark@supanet.com> wrote in message
news:cfanc5$mn3$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> We always have a few lights and a radio on timer switches when we go away.
> That way they're not ALWAYS on.... now that is a sure sign to a
> bugalar.....

Our local bugulars know that the lights and radios are ALWAYS on whether
we're there or not. They just don't know ...
>
Mary

Mary Fisher

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

"John Manders" <j.manders@rl.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:cfanlc$rro@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk...
> > > According to a son, who knows about these things because of his job, a
> far
> > > more common cause of house fires is dishwashers being left switched
on.
> He
> > > was furious when he came round when we were out and found ours on ...
> > >
> > > Mary
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > I thought spouse was the dishwasher

He wanted the machine for years. I gave in when I realised that it was far
more efficient than hand washing for honey jars but now I'd rather get rid
of it. He says no. If we do I have to do all the washing up, that's fair
enough, I don't mind.
> >
>
> I have told my wife that cooking and cleaning is womans work.

It is. Men can't - usually - do it very well.

> Now what's a good treatment for bruises?

I've heard that arnica is but an older remedy is witch hazel. I don't bother
treating them. They go eventually.
>
> Seriously, What's your son's job Mary?

He's in the emergency services.

> I have a dishwasher and you've got me
> worried now.

Don't. Just don't go out leaving it switched on.

We don't, ever. And we never leave it on when we go to bed either.

Mary
(why is my nose growing?)
>
> John
>
>

Tmax

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

Vanner

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

TVs can and do spontaneously burst into flames. Ours did about 2 years
ago....fortunately right in front of our eyes. Before you ask, it was a well
known make, 12 month old, widescreen model. Picture fizzled to a vertical
line, followed by sparks and smoke from the rear. We are still counting our
blessings that we were in the room, as especially with kids, it was
frequently left unattended....NOT ANY MORE.

A radio left on while you are out is a far better option.

Vanner

> > According to a son, who knows about these things because of his job, a
far
> > more common cause of house fires is dishwashers being left switched on.
He
> > was furious when he came round when we were out and found ours on ...

Tmax

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

"Tmax" <tmax@futurenet.com> wrote in message
news:2nt0h5F4ebd5U1@uni-berlin.de...

> I find that the best thing is to take 'em upstairs and give 'em a good
> rodgering........

__

That, of course, should be 'A Thorough Servicing'.......

John Bradbury

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

Liz,

Try getting the council to act on the fact that he is running a business
from the property. Unless he gets a change of use he should be illegal.
Get your local District Councillor working on the suits at the Council.

If he is running it as a business have you tried the friendly fellows of
the Inland Revenue or the VAT man? These may well give him quite a
shock.

In message <4118e218$0$41791$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>, liz hall
<"remove the spam"@liz.?.autopromk.freeserve.co.uk.invalid> writes
>It depends on the by-laws and they are very difficult to enforce, impossible
>I would say. Newer proprty will be more difficult. Someone has to invoke
>the covenant and there are not many people ready to do that. Ask me how I
>know. I have been trying for 7 years to get something done about my
>neighbour who uses his property as a garage 24-7. Council says they can do
>nothing and I will personally have to take him to court and prove breach of
>planning rules. Also his untaxed cars are parked on council land since
>January and DVLC have done nothing. So much for the adverts.
>If you want to be neighbourly then try to be reasonable, negotiation is
>better than confrontation.
>Both my brother and sister let out a field for storage of caravans, one has
>planning permission in Bedfordshire for a few and the other in Milton Keynes
>has no planning permission for about 100.
>It varies from Council to Council and how efficient they are.
>Liz
>
>"Richard Murphy" <richard@murphy00.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:cf9q8s$cbh$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> Any ideas on the rules regarding storage of my caravan on a purpose-built
>> concrete area in my front garden, Birmingham area?
>>
>> My neighbour, bless his soul, feels that if he forces me to have my
>caravan
>> removed, I can then move my car across my property, thus releasing part of
>> my property for him to use.
>>
>> Ho hum.
>>
>>
>
>

--
John Bradbury

georgina.smith

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

John has a point.

You can run from the Police, you can run from the council. You can avoid
fines and prison sentences.....

The only things you cannot run from are the CSA and the Tax Man. I hope you
never get caught by either.......

"liz hall" <"remove the spam" liz@spam.autopromk.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message news:411a4bf0$0$41789$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net ...
> We have actually tried every avenue open to us, at the end of the day the
> Council say it is up to us to take him to Court. I was making a point
that
> it is very difficult to actually stop anyone.
> Liz
>
> "John Bradbury" <never.answered@j-brad.com> wrote in message
> news:D$TsAUFb8cGBFwN4@ntlworld.com...
> > Liz,
> >
> > Try getting the council to act on the fact that he is running a business
> > from the property. Unless he gets a change of use he should be illegal.
> > Get your local District Councillor working on the suits at the Council.
> >
> > If he is running it as a business have you tried the friendly fellows of
> > the Inland Revenue or the VAT man? These may well give him quite a
> > shock.
> >
> > In message <4118e218$0$41791$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>, liz hall
> > <"remove the spam"@liz.?.autopromk.freeserve.co.uk.invalid> writes
> > >It depends on the by-laws and they are very difficult to enforce,
> impossible
> > >I would say. Newer proprty will be more difficult. Someone has to
invoke
> > >the covenant and there are not many people ready to do that. Ask me
how
> I
> > >know. I have been trying for 7 years to get something done about my
> > >neighbour who uses his property as a garage 24-7. Council says they can
> do
> > >nothing and I will personally have to take him to court and prove
breach
> of
> > >planning rules. Also his untaxed cars are parked on council land since
> > >January and DVLC have done nothing. So much for the adverts.
> > >If you want to be neighbourly then try to be reasonable, negotiation is
> > >better than confrontation.
> > >Both my brother and sister let out a field for storage of caravans, one
> has
> > >planning permission in Bedfordshire for a few and the other in Milton
> Keynes
> > >has no planning permission for about 100.
> > >It varies from Council to Council and how efficient they are.
> > >Liz
> > >
> > >"Richard Murphy" <richard@murphy00.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > >news:cf9q8s$cbh$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > >> Any ideas on the rules regarding storage of my caravan on a
> purpose-built
> > >> concrete area in my front garden, Birmingham area?
> > >>
> > >> My neighbour, bless his soul, feels that if he forces me to have my
> > >caravan
> > >> removed, I can then move my car across my property, thus releasing
part
> of
> > >> my property for him to use.
> > >>
> > >> Ho hum.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > John Bradbury
> >
> >
>
>

Peter Milnes

08-14-2004, 03:21 PM

If the cars are untaxed they must have a SORN notice in force for each car. If
not it is up to the police to take action and notify DVLC who should then take
action themselves. Nothing happens until a complaint is received by the police.
The fine is up to £1,000 per offence.

Cheers, Peter.

"John Bradbury" <never.answered@j-brad.com> wrote in message
news:D$TsAUFb8cGBFwN4@ntlworld.com...
: Liz,
:
: Try getting the council to act on the fact that he is running a business
: from the property. Unless he gets a change of use he should be illegal.
: Get your local District Councillor working on the suits at the Council.
:
: If he is running it as a business have you tried the friendly fellows of
: the Inland Revenue or the VAT man? These may well give him quite a
: shock.
:
: In message <4118e218$0$41791$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>, liz hall
: <"remove the spam"@liz.?.autopromk.freeserve.co.uk.invalid> writes
: >It depends on the by-laws and they are very difficult to enforce, impossible
: >I would say. Newer proprty will be more difficult. Someone has to invoke
: >the covenant and there are not many people ready to do that. Ask me how I
: >know. I have been trying for 7 years to get something done about my
: >neighbour who uses his property as a garage 24-7. Council says they can do
: >nothing and I will personally have to take him to court and prove breach of
: >planning rules. Also his untaxed cars are parked on council land since
: >January and DVLC have done nothing. So much for the adverts.
: >If you want to be neighbourly then try to be reasonable, negotiation is
: >better than confrontation.
: >Both my brother and sister let out a field for storage of caravans, one has
: >planning permission in Bedfordshire for a few and the other in Milton Keynes
: >has no planning permission for about 100.
: >It varies from Council to Council and how efficient they are.
: >Liz
: >
: >"Richard Murphy" <richard@murphy00.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
: >news:cf9q8s$cbh$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
: >> Any ideas on the rules regarding storage of my caravan on a purpose-built
: >> concrete area in my front garden, Birmingham area?
: >>
: >> My neighbour, bless his soul, feels that if he forces me to have my
: >caravan
: >> removed, I can then move my car across my property, thus releasing part of
: >> my property for him to use.
: >>
: >> Ho hum.
: >>
: >>
: >
: >
:
: --
: John Bradbury
:
: