Re: Poundbury plagued by 'travellers'

[Tmax]

"Gary Toppins" <g@d.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cfh1sj$apd$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...

> I've been taking a bit of an interest in this over the last few months -
> they have had quite a bit of help off "usual suspect" type institutions.
> One such is a thing called the "traveller law unit" which is part of the
> Cardiff University Law School. There's another bunch in Brighton who are
> into making common cause between the hippy travellers and the tinker
rogues.
> I think the Rowntree Foundation is lurking in the background as well.
Almsot
> certainly a fair wedge of lottery cash filtering it's way through the
usual
> benign sounding front organisations


> However...these organisations (esp. the Cardiff lot) were very helpful
in
> getting the travellers the vital "we are a racial minority "
classification.
> It's there in law now. It's a bit uncertain who counts - obvious really
as
> they are quite plainly not a racial minority in any half-way sensible
> person's preception. Essentially it boils down to whoever is prepared to
> offer violence to all comers is likely to become a racial minority.
That's
> the truth on the ground. Being such a group brings all manner of
> advantages - as well they know. They have the CRE banging on about how
> disadvantaged they are on a daily basis now. Two page spreads in the
> Guardian (big surprise) and the Observer. Full of the usual "we've got
old
> people / kids / pregnant women / the sick" nonsense, as you say. This is
a
> well formed plan, several years in the making. No less.


__

That's interesting - it seems as if the assault on Middle England is now
well underway.

The cities and urban conurbations have already been lost to the
multi-cultural nightmare, and only in rural areas do the time honoured
values and traditions of Britain remain (albeit tenuously)

I still maintain that the Tinkers (many of whom are wealthy property owners
in Eire) are doing it for profit - but it could well be that they are being
manipulated by those intent upon destroying the last vestiges of
'Englishness' still remaining beyond the urban hell-holes.

What with the new Tinker strategies and Prescott's plan to build a new town
in every field larger than ten acres, the future looks bleak.

I did notice the CRE's excitement over the 'tinker' issue, BTW - Trevor
Philips paused briefly from counting his vast salary to solemnly observe
that
the plight of Tinkers/Travellers/Gypsies/Itinerant Tarmac Gangs is 'Worse
than blacks in the old southern states of America'........

[Sacha]

On 13/8/04 8:50, in article 2o3a4jF6drpgU1@uni-berlin.de, "Tmax"
<tmax@futurenet.com> wrote:

> "Gary Toppins" <g@d.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cfh1sj$apd$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
>> I've been taking a bit of an interest in this over the last few months -
>> they have had quite a bit of help off "usual suspect" type institutions.
>> One such is a thing called the "traveller law unit" which is part of the
>> Cardiff University Law School. There's another bunch in Brighton who are
>> into making common cause between the hippy travellers and the tinker
> rogues.
>> I think the Rowntree Foundation is lurking in the background as well.
> Almsot
>> certainly a fair wedge of lottery cash filtering it's way through the
> usual
>> benign sounding front organisations
>
>
>> However...these organisations (esp. the Cardiff lot) were very helpful
> in
>> getting the travellers the vital "we are a racial minority "
> classification.
>> It's there in law now. It's a bit uncertain who counts - obvious really
> as
>> they are quite plainly not a racial minority in any half-way sensible
>> person's preception. Essentially it boils down to whoever is prepared to
>> offer violence to all comers is likely to become a racial minority.
> That's
>> the truth on the ground. Being such a group brings all manner of
>> advantages - as well they know. They have the CRE banging on about how
>> disadvantaged they are on a daily basis now. Two page spreads in the
>> Guardian (big surprise) and the Observer. Full of the usual "we've got
> old
>> people / kids / pregnant women / the sick" nonsense, as you say. This is
> a
>> well formed plan, several years in the making. No less.
>
>
> __
>
> That's interesting - it seems as if the assault on Middle England is now
> well underway.
>
> The cities and urban conurbations have already been lost to the
> multi-cultural nightmare, and only in rural areas do the time honoured
> values and traditions of Britain remain (albeit tenuously)
>
> I still maintain that the Tinkers (many of whom are wealthy property owners
> in Eire) are doing it for profit - but it could well be that they are being
> manipulated by those intent upon destroying the last vestiges of
> 'Englishness' still remaining beyond the urban hell-holes.
>
> What with the new Tinker strategies and Prescott's plan to build a new town
> in every field larger than ten acres, the future looks bleak.
>
> I did notice the CRE's excitement over the 'tinker' issue, BTW - Trevor
> Philips paused briefly from counting his vast salary to solemnly observe
> that
> the plight of Tinkers/Travellers/Gypsies/Itinerant Tarmac Gangs is 'Worse
> than blacks in the old southern states of America'........
>
>
One farmer who resorted to the age-old tactic of spraying the neighbouring
field with slurry when travellers arrived on his land, had his barn set on
fire by them, even though he said it was part of his normal practice at this
time of year. The police were 'powerless' to do anything about it because
of course no one was going to admit to it, the fire brigade was hampered by
children who deliberately got into the way of the fire hoses and the barn
burned to the ground doing thousands of pounds worth of damage.
The farmer was nearly arrested!
--

Sacha

[Gary Toppins]

> I still maintain that the Tinkers (many of whom are wealthy property
owners
> in Eire) are doing it for profit - but it could well be that they are
being
> manipulated by those intent upon destroying the last vestiges of
> 'Englishness' still remaining beyond the urban hell-holes.

Yes - I think that as far as the tinks are concerned it's all about money,
but they fulfil the psychological needs of the left tribes to a) always have
a victim to support and make one up if necessary and b) to have some sort of
physical monument to their dominion over the parts of the land who don't
agree with their way of seeing the world.




>
> What with the new Tinker strategies and Prescott's plan to build a new
town
> in every field larger than ten acres, the future looks bleak.


Well yes.

[Sacha]

On 13/8/04 12:39, in article cfi93a$8m3$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk, "Gary
Toppins" <g@d.co.uk> wrote:

>
>> I still maintain that the Tinkers (many of whom are wealthy property
> owners
>> in Eire) are doing it for profit - but it could well be that they are
> being
>> manipulated by those intent upon destroying the last vestiges of
>> 'Englishness' still remaining beyond the urban hell-holes.
>
> Yes - I think that as far as the tinks are concerned it's all about money,
> but they fulfil the psychological needs of the left tribes to a) always have
> a victim to support and make one up if necessary and b) to have some sort of
> physical monument to their dominion over the parts of the land who don't
> agree with their way of seeing the world.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> What with the new Tinker strategies and Prescott's plan to build a new
> town
>> in every field larger than ten acres, the future looks bleak.
>
>
> Well yes.
>
>
Except that the above should read "in every field in a non-Labour area".
A friend of my husband owns a restaurant in Totnes and Prescott and his
cohorts stopped there for coffee one day. Prescott was overheard to say "how
do we get these peasants down here (Devon) to vote for us?" He then used
the word 'peasants' again in another context. Good little socialist
bar-steward that he is.
--

Sacha

[John Radley]

"Sacha" <sacha@weedsgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:BD427D04.1261%sacha@weedsgarden506.fsnet.co.u k...
> On 13/8/04 12:39, in article cfi93a$8m3$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk, "Gary
> Toppins" <g@d.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >> I still maintain that the Tinkers (many of whom are wealthy property
> > owners
> >> in Eire) are doing it for profit - but it could well be that they are
> > being
> >> manipulated by those intent upon destroying the last vestiges of
> >> 'Englishness' still remaining beyond the urban hell-holes.
> >
> > Yes - I think that as far as the tinks are concerned it's all about
money,
> > but they fulfil the psychological needs of the left tribes to a) always
have
> > a victim to support and make one up if necessary and b) to have some
sort of
> > physical monument to their dominion over the parts of the land who don't
> > agree with their way of seeing the world.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> What with the new Tinker strategies and Prescott's plan to build a new
> > town
> >> in every field larger than ten acres, the future looks bleak.
> >
> >
> > Well yes.
> >
> >
> Except that the above should read "in every field in a non-Labour area".
> A friend of my husband owns a restaurant in Totnes and Prescott and his
> cohorts stopped there for coffee one day. Prescott was overheard to say
"how
> do we get these peasants down here (Devon) to vote for us?" He then used
> the word 'peasants' again in another context. Good little socialist
> bar-steward that he is.
> --
>
> Sacha
>

Sach,

I do not believe you. Name names and identify places. We could all make
vague aspersions like this against anybody. If we have an opinion we
clearly state it as such. There is no need to spread such fictitious
nonsense as a fact.

Regards.
JR.


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[ivan]

"John Radley" <johnradleyNO@SPAMntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Sacha" <sacha@weedsgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:BD427D04.1261%sacha@weedsgarden506.fsnet.co.u k...
> > On 13/8/04 12:39, in article cfi93a$8m3$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk, "Gary
> > Toppins" <g@d.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >> I still maintain that the Tinkers (many of whom are wealthy property
> > > owners
> > >> in Eire) are doing it for profit - but it could well be that they are
> > > being
> > >> manipulated by those intent upon destroying the last vestiges of
> > >> 'Englishness' still remaining beyond the urban hell-holes.
> > >
> > > Yes - I think that as far as the tinks are concerned it's all about
> money,
> > > but they fulfil the psychological needs of the left tribes to a)
always
> have
> > > a victim to support and make one up if necessary and b) to have some
> sort of
> > > physical monument to their dominion over the parts of the land who
don't
> > > agree with their way of seeing the world.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> What with the new Tinker strategies and Prescott's plan to build a
new
> > > town
> > >> in every field larger than ten acres, the future looks bleak.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well yes.
> > >
> > >
> > Except that the above should read "in every field in a non-Labour area".
> > A friend of my husband owns a restaurant in Totnes and Prescott and his
> > cohorts stopped there for coffee one day. Prescott was overheard to say
> "how
> > do we get these peasants down here (Devon) to vote for us?" He then
used
> > the word 'peasants' again in another context. Good little socialist
> > bar-steward that he is.
> > --
> >
> > Sacha
> >
>
> Sach,
>
> I do not believe you. Name names and identify places. We could all make
> vague aspersions like this against anybody. If we have an opinion we
> clearly state it as such. There is no need to spread such fictitious
> nonsense as a fact.
>
> Regards.
> JR.
>
I was a rather suspicious as well, when it didn't include a string of
profanities.


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